Mossy 500 12ga 20" ?grizzlies?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by 500mag_guy, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. 500mag_guy

    500mag_guy New Member

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    Well i decided i had a reason to buy a Mossberg 500 Persuader 12ga with a 20" barrel, heat-shield, and a 8 round tube. My reasoning was for all the grizzlies we encounter out four wheeling. loaded with 9 rounds of "00" buckshot i think i should be able to feel a little more comfortable about running into the nasty ol bear.

    My question for you guys is do you think that a 12ga with 9 rounds of "00" buckshot would do the trick?/ be the best choice at close range? Close range meaning 10-15 yards.


    Thanks, 500

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  2. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    I'm no bear expert, but as Peter Capstick once said, I have read about it. I would not count on any buckshot to stop a bear, and really wouldn't like slugs either. A Marlin Guide gun in 45-70 or 450 Marlin would be my choice. I have only ever come across one bear in the wild, and my Honda XR650L seemed to scare him pretty good.
     

  3. 500mag_guy

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    ya i see where your coming from but wouldn't ya think if you pounded a grizzly in the face/front as its coming at you with a 12ga with 12 "00" pellets it would phuck it up? i mean it only takes 5-7 rounds to cut down a 15" diameter tree. :D
     
  4. dog2000tj

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    Nice shottie you got there, congrats. As for the bear I would feel more comfortable using slugs and a stock for more control. Either way, stay safe and stay alert when in bear country ;)
     
  5. c3shooter

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    12 g 00 buck at 10-15 yards will plant a bear. You would be surprised how fast they can close 10 yards, tho. In the time it takes you to blink.
     
  6. 500mag_guy

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    ya i like it. it is alot easier to control then one would think. my 500 mag kicks more. but i have big hands and shoot my 500 quite a bit so a little punch doesnt really phase me much. but i get what your saying with more control. sometimes those fricken grizzlies wont be there one second and the next they are breathing down your neck. the last run in we had we stopped by the creek to cook some hot dogs and we looked down river and there was nothing to be seen a few minutes later there was a grizzly cub on the rocks down the creek so we started putting the fire out and packing up to get the hell out of there and that little **** came right across the creek from us as if it was sitting us up to be between it and mommy. then it started whining. we got out of there before momma bear found us but it is not fun to watch a grizzly cub come up stream toward you and start whining. lets just say the 500 was out and cocked ready to lay some grizzly bear ass down! :D
     
  7. Jpyle

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    Maybe he just wanted a hot dog...:p
     
  8. 500mag_guy

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    hahah mommy said no but i would have gave the lil guy one if i knew momma bear would have just left us alone ;) hell i would have gave her one too. :D
     
  9. oli700

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    Nice SG ! I have been in the sights of a scared black bear and it was lightning fast. As anyone knows when shooting a bear shot placement is so important. Nothing against the PG, I had one for a while and got decent with it and have shot moving targets, grouse, with a handgun style grip but a charging bear…..I don’t know it happens so fast. Hopefully you have plenty of warning and can start taking shots at a reasonable distance and that’s where the stock is nicer, at close distance you could always hip shoot a stock in a pinch….
    sorry I know it’s about ammo but don’t take charging bears lightly ….and without a doubt get the highest velocity slug you can get and use that because there is no such thing as over kill when it comes to bears. Just to be clear I'm not bashing your gear....subject just a little close to home for me
     
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  10. 30-30remchester

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    I study this subject. It is called terminal ballistics. I have only shot coyotes with buckshot so I defer to true proffesionals like Boddington, Capstick and numerous African guides. The consencus is that any buckshot load is not a fight stopper when it comes to game. Boddington actually had 2 loads of buckshot bounce off the head of a small leapord. An African white hunter had to follow up a wounded 125# leapord. When he encountered him he gave him a good shot of 00 buck. The guide was near killed by that small cat. He said he would never use it again. You need to remember there are 12 33caliber soft lead balls with very poor ballistics coefficent and maginal power. Each pellet has less power than a 380 ACP and far less penatration and distance. As for slugs most foster slugs are made of very soft lead and there skull busting capabilities are in question. However Brenneke and Dixie offer some hard cast slugs that SHOULD be just the ticket.
     
  11. JTJ

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    Back in the early 60's the recommended bear gun in Alaska for fishermen and hikers was 12 guage loaded with slugs. Some recommended a #6 1st up to blind the bear and bloody the nose so you could finish with the slugs. At 10 yds #6 really does not open up that much so you better be a really good shot. The 44 mag was the big pistol at the time and got some people killed because it was not enough. As the movie said, "I kilt the bar but the bar kilt me". A 12 gauge slug has 2x the power of the 44 mag. With some shot rounds in your pocket, it also made a good survival gun.
    Newer guns have come out since then like the Marlin levers and the very big cartridge revolvers are examples.
    Some of the guides were carrying African doubles. They had to protect their client and needed something that would knock the bear down. The 458 WM made things a little simpler.
    I was told to go for the shoulder.
     
  12. 500mag_guy

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    hell ya man and the only reason i went with the pistol grip is because it fits perfect in my pack on my four wheeler. it is there for anyone i am riding with. if some needs it, it is there to protect yourself with. it is stickily for protection. im sure the noise coming out of the far end of this bad boy will scare the hell out of anything plus 12 "00" pellets pelleting the hell out of the front of him... id like to think that this would hold him up a little bit or long enough to slap that slide and pound him again. I personally will always have my 500 in my shoulder rig and without a doubt in my mine i would start phucking its big grizzly bear ass up at 80 yards all the way up til its right in my face but i personally dont think any grizzly could take (5) 400gr Barnes Busters climbing out of my 8 3/8" barrel at 1897 fps with 3022 ft-lb energy. that kind of power would make even a grizzly shiver. I mean its only the worlds largest production made handgun. they may be tough but not no 5 shots of a 500 S&W mag tough.
     
  13. oli700

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    All that and allot has to do with the sloping angle of a bears head and the way they hold during a charge...unless it’s the only shot don’t shot a bear in the head that is facing you. Get the deepest penetrating ammo you can get for that SG and place them well in the chest, shoulder, neck. Even high velocity .30 cal rifles will sometimes slide right up the forehead and seriously piss him off. I bet that 500 s&w is a monster, go for the hart my brother
     
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  14. 500mag_guy

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    well i guess time will tell. it will happen eventually because they are thick over here. We have had a few REALLY close encounters, and everyone we ride with knows its a risk that comes along with the joys of riding where we do. Im not scared what will be will be. If sometime you dont see anymore posts from me read though a few Montana News Papers online and you will get the low down. Hahahah :eek:
     
  15. 30-30remchester

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    The 2 times I had very close encounters with bears there was no 80 yards between us. Both times mere feet were between us and both times I was armed and both times the bear broke off the encounter before I could even unlimber my gun. After talking to many people who have had bear encounters I never talked to a one that got off more than one hasty shot before they were in contact with each other.
     
  16. 500mag_guy

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    well the last two times we have encounter full size grizzlies ive had my 500 out and cocked one decided the other direction was the way to go he was about 30 yards away and the other was about 20 yards and it held its ground. standing on its hind legs and didnt want to leave so we did.

    btw 80 yards is out to where i can put my shots into a 8" circle accurately.
     
  17. 30-30remchester

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    500 MAG, seems like you are having about the most fun a man can have with his pants on. Though I live in remote Colorado, I seldom get attacked by anything except jealous husbands and irate bill collecters. Wish I was back guiding again so more exitement would come my way. Anyhow let us know if you encounter the bear that bit Jim Bridgers *ss.
     
  18. dnthmn2004

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  19. 500mag_guy

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    i will do. if you ever make it down to montana get a hold of me and ill show ya a few grizzlies. :) i personally kinda want one to charge/threaten us just once id like to see what the 'ol 500 mag will do. :rolleyes:!!Someday!!:rolleyes:
     
  20. 500mag_guy

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    thank you sir i will be ordering a few boxes of these bad boys.

    thanks again, 500