I'm a long time lurker here but now have a question. I'm looking into getting a varmint gun in .223/5.56. My criteria for looking has been, detacheable magazine, bull/heavy barrel, 1:9 or faster twist, with good reviews on accuracy. With that criteria, I've been back and forth really between three different rifles: 1. Mossberg MVP (Predator or Varmint) 2. Tikka T3 Varmint 3. Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine I really think I would like to try out the mossberg but they are so new into the more "quality" bolt guns as they have really only been know to make decent affordable shotguns in the past. But the MVP seems to be getting good reviews in the net besides the loose magazine (which everyone has said doesn't affect the function) and the loose bolt when out of battery. It seems to he good reviews on accuracy. I like the idea of it using AR mags (duh) as I have a lot if them, and like what it's priced at. I think I should be able to find one of these for ~$550-600. But would save money in the magazine department. The tikka t3 varmint would cost me more but everyone raves about how smooth and accurate it is. I don't have any experience with tikka and it would hurt my pocketbook. I can source one of these for $860 right now, but would want to purchase a couple extra magazines with it and I imagine those are $35-50/ea. The savage model 10 precision carbine looks like a decent buy and has lots if aftermarket support. But it would run me $700-800. Then add a few extra magazines. I really want to like the mossberg but really am just concerned with the name and some of the sloppiness on the magazines and bolt which I could get over. It would afford me some money to put into a scope that the others would not allow for. My intentions for this gun is to be relatively accurate out to 500 yards meaning able to keep a 1-2 moa (or 5-10" at 500 yards) group. It will mainly be used for varmint hunting, target shooting would be secondary at this point. I'm a little bit conflicted as I have a S&W M&P Tactical and wondering if this new purchase is needed or will my S&W AR suffice. Thanks for the future advice and help in this decision.