Mosin Nagant

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by JustinM, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. JustinM

    JustinM New Member

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    I've got a few cabelas gift cards and am thinking about picking up a mosin. I already know what I want to do with it but am also thinking about a 1911 or xds. If I go with the mosin what should I look for when picking one out?
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Make sure muzzle has not been counter bored.

    Clean shiny barrel on the inside

    Other than that its a crapshoot whether its a shooter or just something to make rounds go bang. To me they are getting a little pricey to take a chance on whether its decent shooter or not.
     

  3. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I bought mine for $99. I have sporterized it. For $100 what else are you going to buy? Now if we are talking about something stupid like $250 then I would pass.
     
  4. Werminator

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    Justin... sounds like you want to buy a gun but don't have a particular use in mind... a rifle... full sized 1911... concealed size xds... do you already have a shotgun? I ask because to me there aren't a lot of feelings like the one you get racking a pump 12guage or the recoil of a slug being launched from the barrel... and you can swap a slug barrel or shot barrel in and out to do all kinds of hunting and recreational shooting...
     
  5. JustinM

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    Lol I agree I am indecisive on this one. I have both full size and carry pistols, I have hunting and fun rifles, and of course I have a 12 gauge. If I go 1911 it's going to be compact. I am torn between a project and new carry basically. Mosin Nagants here at 199 at cabelas.
     
  6. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Bore and crown for function. I do not believe that a counterbore is a negative feature. It simply means that a bad crown was corrected. I have a couple of counterbored rifles that shoot like champs.

    Other features that add to the cool factor is a date before or after WWII. A hexagonal receiver is more desirable than a round receiver for most folks, but it not any better mechanically.

    Other than that, pick one that you like the looks of.

    I will warn you, one Mosin-Nagant is not enough; they tend to multiply.

    Good luck, and bring us pics of your pick.
     
  7. therewolf

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    I'd also try to find a Hexagonal chamber, preferably from

    Tula, with matching serial #s.

    Or a M44, possibly a mint Polish or Romanian,

    if you prefer a sturdy carbine.

    I'd go with the Mosin, because it's probably what's

    going to rise in value fastest. 1911s are great, but they're

    "pattern" guns, (a design made by many) and the XDS are still in

    manufacture. Get a decent M/N before the well dries up,

    and all that's left is overpriced crap.
     
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  8. JonM

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    counterboring is a common indicator of heavy use and can possibly indicate throat erosion up to the point of a dangerous condition. counterboring was a war time practice to bring old used barrels back into service to meet military need. it was a common practice in ussr, usa, and british militaries during ww2.

    personally i pass on such rifles because if i decide to sell it later the value isnt there. its also a huge risk on whether the barrel is too far worn in the throat area.

    some counter bores can still function just fine but buying one without checking the throat with a go-nogo-field gage set for that caliber is a big risk. i just dont bother with such milsurps unless its super cheap and i need the parts.
     
  9. bamashooter68

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    I have a 1929 Izhevsk 91/30 Hex
    1953 Hungarian M-44
    91/59 Carbine
    I love all these guns. The Hungarian is one of the nicest mosin's Ive ever seen. They are all good shooters and the Hungarian has felled a couple deer. The worst is the 91/59 Carbine. The buttplate doesn't match and while the rifling is good the bore is nasty. It has a really nice stock and is very light compared to other mosin's.

    Happy Hunting. Hope you get a good one.
     
  10. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Trust me on this Jon: Collectors generally agree that the damage being repaired by counter-boring a rifle was caused by improper cleaning of the rifle with the steel cleaning rod. Not because the rifle is shot-out. The top inch or so was damaged, and once the damage is repaired, by counter-boring, the rifle is in good condition again.

    On the M-38 rifles, all, or nearly all, of them were counter-bored as a routine part of the refurbishment process. Apparently the Soviet armorers didn't feel that it degraded the quality of the rifles. From a shooting standpoint, it is far better to have a counter-bored rifle than one with damage to the crown.

    If you are buying a Mosin-Nagant and hoping for a fine long-distance tack driver, you are barking up the wrong tree from the start. As far as a counter-bore discounting the value of a $150.00, obsolete military rifle, well, maybe it would only be worth $149.00 to some folks.

    If someone is interested in truly collectible Mosin-Nagant rifles, then they won't be buying many rifles off the racks of a big-box retailer, (The importers have already picked over them) and you aren't paying in the under $200.00 range. Even if you are buying a high-end collectible Mosin-Nagant, then a counter-bore would not be a deciding negative. It just doesn't matter that much to serious collectors.

    While I agree with the checking of the head-space on all 75 year old plus rifles, I have not yet had a failure on a rifle that came straight from the distributor, and I have checked a lot of them. Checking head-space is smart, and if you only plan to buy one, have a gunsmith check it for you. (it will cost you a lot less than buying the gauges)
     
  11. longunner

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    He's right I went from one to three in a pretty short time
     
  12. JustinM

    JustinM New Member

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    Thanks for all the feedback fellas. I should have pics of the mosin by Monday.
     
  13. therewolf

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    One lesson I learned from Mosins is, whenever possible,

    drop the bolt and clean the barrel from the chamber

    end, to avoid bore damage at the muzzle.
     
  14. bamashooter68

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    I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I killed a doe one year with my Hungarian M-44 at well over 200yrds. This carbine has no trouble at all shooting 1'' or sometimes depending on ammo less than 1'' groups at 100yrds. Ammunition is a big factor when shooting for accuracy. Most folks shoot military surplus or Wolf and in my opinion its not consistent enough round to round to get quality groups. The ammo I was shooting that day was S&B loaded with 174gr. Sierra bullets. Probably the best ammunition for accuracy Ive shot in my Mosin Nagants.
     
  15. hq357

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    at big 5 they had one for 200$ plus tax and a background fee is it worth it?
     
  16. John_Deer

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    I wouldn't buy a Mosin Nagant online. If you can't go into the store and inspect the rifle I would pass. You can still find 91/30 rifles for $120 online. I would put the $200 down on a 1911. Find a good shooting Mosin Nagant when you can buy it on your own terms.

    If you have calipers to check the bore on a 91/30 it should be .3215 from the bottom of one groove to the opposing land. You can't measure a barrel from land to land without slugging the barrel. If you slug the barrel it should be between .310 & .311 from land to land for optimum performance.
     
  17. sunsoutgunsout

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    Honestly, save your gift cards unless the rifle they got is in really good condition (cabelas is pretty good with that) However, I'll use my sks as an example, i bougt my sks at a gun show for $180. Very nice rifle with all serial numbers matching, I found the same rifle (the stock was a lighter in colour so I dont think it was the russian version) but it was $300! When buying military rifles, do your research and really dont jump into anything, trust me. Local gun shows are a great place to start! Good luck with whatever you choose!
     
  18. XCR-C

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    I have 2 mosins a 1942 91/30 standard nothing special. And a M44 with matching bayonet. All i can say is the reliable, cheap ammo and are descent in accuracy. The 91/30s are most accurate with the bayonet on. M44s are very loud. You can convert them to .308s though. And buy a aftermarket PU. Scope for 130$ and get it installed by a gunsmith for 120ish. But the russian pine doesn't take stain very well. But they stopped importing m44s around 2 years ago. I dont know about 91/30s though. Good to buy there a piece of history, cheap, reliable, good for hunting and plinking.
     
  19. Jpyle

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    Buds is currently advertising 91/30 round receivers, hex receivers, M38s, M44s and Chinese Type 53s. About $250 for the carbines, $130 for the rifle and $120 for the T-53. Not bad for a first Mosin...I have bought several from them over the years, always matching numbers and in better condition than the grade advertised.
     
  20. toxictim

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    They are fun and exciting to shoot, and like owning a piece of history. Careful because they all are very old must be checked out first. Bolt lock up is dead must with a Mosin. That round is like firing a small missile. The muzzle flash is outstanding. You can get cool muzzle breaks from Sarco online - just make sure it's on there before shooting.
    Best thing to do with a Mosin Nagant is keep it the way it is and clean and will serve you well like did many a soldier..
    Tula 9130
    IVK M44 and M38