[humboldtshooter]

So today I called my local gun store, broke down and decided to buy a mosin. I know they're cheap, but that's not why I bought it. I bought it, because I want to bring one back to life. The one im getting is with the hex receiver, and I know a lot of people look for those ones. My concern is, in 1930 they change the design the slightest bit(upgraded or whatever). My question is, should I have gone with the hex, or a round( pre 40's) cuz during war time they mass produced. Let me know what you guys think.

 

[sputnik1988]

I like the hex better, assuming you plan to keep it in stock form.

If you plan to drill and tap it, trade it in for the round reciever. Don't ruin the the hex.

 

[humboldtshooter]

NO!!! I'm definitely not gonna screw it up like the rest of those guys. I may eventually get the PE scope for it from accu mounts. Those look pretty cool. I'll just have to get the bolt bent, or buy a new one. I'm curious though, what did they change in 1930? I thought it was the receiver, but a thread here said otherwise.

 

[Trez]

NO!!! I'm definitely not gonna screw it up like the rest of those guys. I may eventually get the PE scope for it from accu mounts. Those look pretty cool. I'll just have to get the bolt bent, or buy a new one. I'm curious though, what did they change in 1930? I thought it was the receiver, but a thread here said otherwise.

If you want to put a PE scope on it you need a hex receiver, If you want a PU scope you would want a round receiver.....

 

[therewolf]

NO!!! I'm definitely not gonna screw it up like the rest of those guys. I may eventually get the PE scope for it from accu mounts. Those look pretty cool. I'll just have to get the bolt bent, or buy a new one. I'm curious though, what did they change in 1930? I thought it was the receiver, but a thread here said otherwise.

Minor mods to the bolt, the barrel was shortened 3-1/2", the

rear sight changed from measurements in "arshins"(@28") to meters,

the front sight blade was changed to a hooded post.

There were also minor changes to the

finger guards, and the barrel bands on the stock. The mag spring was free,(loose) in the

1891, since they felt it could be lost during dis-assembly, they

anchored it on the 91/30. Apparently, there was also a slight, but much maligned

adjustment to the interrupter.

Mosins in one's collection tend to multiply, (how did I get 3?) so what I'd advise is

get the Hex 1891 or 91/30. Then, get an M44 carbine, be sure it's clean, with all matching serials.

It's a carbine, and only comes with a round receiver. Consider a Polish, Romanian, or Chinese M44,

in order to get the nicest gun possible. IMHO, you'll then have a small, but fair,

cross representation of most of the Mosin long rifles and Carbines.

I've been exceptionally lucky with my Mosins, paid for a 91/30, got an 1891 Hex Izzy dated 1925.

Found an unfired Polish m44 in new condition with all the stock cartouches outstanding, and a postwar M44

Izzy in very good condition, all with matching serials.

 

[Chainfire]

There is no practical difference in a hex and a round rifle. The hexes are older and have better metal polishing. Being older, the hexes have a bit more historical value, as far as I am concerned.

If you are choosing a shooter, the receiver style doesn't matter; choose for bore and crown condition. I have some really old hexes that are great shooters and some that are dogs. The same goes with the round receivers; I have some wartime rifles that are ugly, but great shooters.

 

[humboldtshooter]

Sorry it took so long to reply. I'm hoping for a 91/30. I'd like the changes in sure. The problem is, he ordered it from the net. I forget which site. Not aimsurplus. I I heard it I'd remember. I am definitely planning on the PE scope, looks better IMO. I've been watching a ton of vids on YouTube on how to clean the thing up when I get it. Not sure if I want to refinish it either. I don't want to ruin the historical value of it. I have definitely fell in love with this Rifle because of the vids though.

 

[Trez]

Sorry it took so long to reply. I'm hoping for a 91/30. I'd like the changes in sure. The problem is, he ordered it from the net. I forget which site. Not aimsurplus. I I heard it I'd remember. I am definitely planning on the PE scope, looks better IMO. I've been watching a ton of vids on YouTube on how to clean the thing up when I get it. Not sure if I want to refinish it either. I don't want to ruin the historical value of it. I have definitely fell in love with this Rifle because of the vids though.

Your gonna want the Hex then... The PE scope mount attaches to the hex part of the receiver...

 

[humboldtshooter]

Your gonna want the Hex then... The PE scope mount attaches to the hex part of the receiver...

Now are these actual repros of the Russian scopes? Im familiar with the pu, but not so with th PE. Can you tell me anything about em? I believe the Pu is a 4x. Not sure about the PE. Accumounts also makes a round receiver mount too. I've still got my mind set in the hex neway.

 

[Johnny357]

There is no practical difference in a hex and a round rifle. The hexes are older and have better metal polishing. Being older, the hexes have a bit more historical value, as far as I am concerned.

From what I've read, the hex receiver is a good indicator that the rifle was made before the war and thus at a time when quality took preference over quantity. Thus a hex receiver has better odds of being an accurate rifle than a round receiver. I own two round receivers, but my next mosin would be a hex receiver for this reason.

 

[Trez]

Now are these actual repros of the Russian scopes? Im familiar with the pu, but not so with th PE. Can you tell me anything about em? I believe the Pu is a 4x. Not sure about the PE. Accumounts also makes a round receiver mount too. I've still got my mind set in the hex neway.

They should be some good repros, just made with modern methods and materials. Actually the PU is 2.5x and I think the PE is 4x....

I was lucky enough to find a authentic 1942 PU... It took me forever to find a "matching" 1942 Mosin that was worthy though!

 

[humboldtshooter]

They should be some good repros, just made with modern methods and materials. Actually the PU is 2.5x and I think the PE is 4x....

I was lucky enough to find a authentic 1942 PU... It took me forever to find a "matching" 1942 Mosin that was worthy though!

I completely agree. I don't want to just put $ into anything. Even though I know it's a reproduction, it's still pretty spendy. I think I'd prefer the 4x, but how do you like the PU?

 

[humboldtshooter]

From what I've read, the hex receiver is a good indicator that the rifle was made before the war and thus at a time when quality took preference over quantity. Thus a hex receiver has better odds of being an accurate rifle than a round receiver. I own two round receivers, but my next mosin would be a hex receiver for this reason.

This is exactly why I wanted the hex. I heard also they were cutting cost and mass producing for the war.

 

[Trez]

Sounds to me you already know what you want.. A hex with a PE scope.. Go for it!!

 

[humboldtshooter]

Sounds to me you already know what you want.. A hex with a PE scope.. Go for it!!

Ya I think so, just wasn't sure of the differences. I think this has solidified my decision. Plus, I can't really back out on the hex now, already bought it.

 

[therewolf]

Fire it a few times.

I doubt you'll have many regrets...

 

[jpattersonnh]

If you want to put a PE scope on it you need a hex receiver, If you want a PU scope you would want a round receiver.....

PE was made for both.
"The first series of Soviet sniper rifles used the Model PE scope (VP in the Soviet designation) which was produced by the company Emil Busch AG and was basically a knock-off the Zeiss optics used on the first prototypes. This series of rifles ran from 1931 to 1939 with some evidence indicating that the production run went into the early 40's to use up surplus parts from the official production run. The PE scope is identified by its length which extends from just even with the iron sight base back to just beyond the cocking piece on the bolt and the use of an adjustable objective or eyepiece. The PE was a 4 power scope that featured adjustments for elevation and windage as well as the focus ring. The first mounting system was a hex shaped affair that mated with the hex receiver and mounted the scope on the centerline of the bore. This centerline mount was later adapted to the round receivers. Later mounting systems for the PE and PE/PEM series were side mounts that attached to a base affixed to the left side of the receiver."

 

[humboldtshooter]

PE was made for both.
"The first series of Soviet sniper rifles used the Model PE scope (VP in the Soviet designation) which was produced by the company Emil Busch AG and was basically a knock-off the Zeiss optics used on the first prototypes. This series of rifles ran from 1931 to 1939 with some evidence indicating that the production run went into the early 40's to use up surplus parts from the official production run. The PE scope is identified by its length which extends from just even with the iron sight base back to just beyond the cocking piece on the bolt and the use of an adjustable objective or eyepiece. The PE was a 4 power scope that featured adjustments for elevation and windage as well as the focus ring. The first mounting system was a hex shaped affair that mated with the hex receiver and mounted the scope on the centerline of the bore. This centerline mount was later adapted to the round receivers. Later mounting systems for the PE and PE/PEM series were side mounts that attached to a base affixed to the left side of the receiver."

Very interesting, I want to keep this thing as original as possible, although the scope will be a repro. This will help me get the scope that was most used during that year. Unfortunately, I don't know the year. I get the rifle in Friday, so now it's just that long anticipating wait.

 

[jpattersonnh]

Here is your mount!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PE-PEM-snip...ultDomain_0&hash=item5649dc34b3#ht_1869wt_907

 

[humboldtshooter]

Here is your mount!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PE-PEM-sniper-scope-mount-4-Russian-Mosin-Nagant-91-30-hex-and-round-base-/370606355635?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5649dc34b3#ht_1869wt_907

Vey nice!!! It would probably be a cheaper route to go through eBay. I'm getting pretty excited for this project. Not sure why I'm putting the AR on the back burner, but I am.