mosin nagant help

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Ultimate_sig, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    I have a project in mind it I need help on witch to get. I'm wanting the most accurate at a distance. I don't want a short one. Which one has the overall better rating. I heard the hex Tula is good but is it the best
     
  2. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    "Best" is an objective term...what level of accuracy and range are you considering? Most 91/30s will be accurate, meaning more or less MOA, 3-4" groups out to 250-300 yds while some will be Minute of Broad Side of a Barn. The models that the Russians converted to sniper rifles will be more accurate, Finnish models are also regarded as highly accurate...maybe more so than the original Russian models. In most cases you are not going to get sub MOA performance from any 80 year old battle rifle...they were just not designed for that. The hex and round receiver types and the factory, Tula vs Izhevsk are more a matter of desirability to collectors than an indication of the rifles inherent accuracy.
     

  3. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    That said, folks generally look for the

    Finn Mosins for accuracy.

    Tula is well liked, but if you can

    find one which was selected for

    Sniper duty, it may be really good,

    if it wasn't mistreated, in the 68 years

    since WWII.
     
  4. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    Is like to have under 3 inch groups at 500 yards if possible. I'm going to check into the Finnish model.
     
  5. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    There is not a lot of consistency in the accuracy of one Mosin to another. The Russians picked their Sniper models by shooting them and taking the most accurate ones for sniper conversion.

    The Finnish models are usually a bit more consistent, but the other problem you will face is finding 7.62x54R ammo that is consistent enough to really give good accuracy.

    Is it possible to get the right combo to get 1" groups? Yes. But not likely. So plan on doing some work to the rifle and trying lots of different loads, or hand loading your own ammo. By the time you have likely found a combination that is really capable of consistently giving you that level of accuracy, you could have probably bought a more modern rifle that was as capable out if the box.

    Not trying to keep you from a project, just letting you know what may lay ahead.
     
  6. Ultimate_sig

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    I'm already planning to do some work to it. I'm going to change the stock, polish the bolt, change the bolt, and put a nice scope on it. I like the ballistic results of the round but want to give it a remy 700 make over. I'm going with a Monte Carlo stock and if it does good eventually I'll put a promag AS stock on it. I like the thought of having a detachable box magazine.
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i would check into reloading. inconsistent ammo is a huge problem when it comes to accuracy. consistent reloaded ammo will give a higher chance of potential accuracy.

    check out this link to Boyd's Gunstocks for a really nice stock for the Mosin.

    http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product.htm?pid=7788&cat=1223
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Forget it. The rifle simply can't do it except by pure blind luck. You can maybe tighten groups down to 6-10 inches at 500, and that's freaking GREAT for the Mosin. But under 3"? Only by luck. Not trying to be mean, just realistic. I'm a huge fan of the Mosin, but this is like asking a Ford pinto to outperform a Corvette.
     
  9. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I've seen people try to make a Mosin into something it is not. And sticking it in a Polymer stock and changing the bolt isn't going to do much for it. If you want to build on a Mosin action and have it perform like a Remington 700, then you might as well just get and action and have abarrel made for it, and put it in a real high quality fiberglass stock. Otherwise you are probably wasting your time. You probably won't be able to make it into a sub-MOA match shooter on the cheap. And once you're done it's still a Mosin Nagant.

    You can get a Remington 700 or a Savage 10 in calibers that already have the same or better ballistic potential when compared to the 7.62x54R. it's pretty much right in between a .308 and .30-06.
     
  10. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    Yea true. I had a gift card to cabelas for $160 and that's what the mosin cost. So I got it a few hours ago. I went thru the batch and found one that I think is in better,shape then,some of the used guns there. The previous owner must have taken very good care of it. The ejection port is flared, the barrel is smooth with no pivoting, the rifleing looks very sharp and this thing had very little dirt on it. It's at my buddies but I will post pics
     
  11. Ultimate_sig

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    This is my nagant, I must say it looks very very clean. I don't think this one seen much service. The rifleing looks very sharp. I showed a friend looked at it and said it was the cleanest nagant he has ever seen

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  12. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Asking a $160 rifle to perform at that level is very unrealistic. The Mosin Nagant is a sturdy, reliable, reasonably powerful, inespensive rifle. 3" at 500? Yeah, given enough money the Pinto can turn 8's. Hell, given enough money you can make a riding lawnmower turn 8's
     
  13. Chainfire

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    If you want a tack-driver, off the shelf Mosin-Nagant, buy yourself a M-39 with an unissued barrel. Around $400.00. I have two "B" barrel M-39s that I don't believe were fired after the intital testing. They are much better rifles than I am a rifleman.

    The M-39 is the ultimate Mosin-Nagant.
     
  14. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    The one I got is a 39 and when I looked at the bore it looked like it was Yardley used. Also this one did not have the machine rings around it, the barrel is smooth as silk.
     
  15. SSGN_Doc

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    It can still be a good project that can help you reenforce basic marksmanship skills. First I would get a few types if ammo and see which one will group best at 100 yds. Then see how accurate you can be with it at 100 yds. Then start doing some accuracy improving tricks to it. And see which ones make the most difference. I wouldn't put optics on it for this project. I would also try to keep the original parts and see how much you can improve the rifle with just the stock parts. After you have exhausted those possibilities. I would say you have a good foundation for organizing a project on a more modern platform.
     
  16. Ultimate_sig

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    I got a Monte Carlo stock and a brass tracker optic mount but the rear sight pins won't come out so I'm just going to keep it as is
     
  17. John_Deer

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    My 91/30 shoots pretty good. But I bought it when every gun shop had a case of rifles to pick through. I shot a coyote @ 580 yards with the 91/30 a few days ago. Could I duplicate the shot? I don't know. I have shot stumps at the lake at similar ranges. I used a Brown Bear 203 gr SP to make the shot.

    I killed 4 deer with the 91/30 last season. I shot every one in the head or the neck. I have to be pretty confident in my rifle to take head and neck shots. All 4 deer were 50 yards or less.
     
  18. thdrduck

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    I got my Mosin to shoot. Off a rest it was pretty good so I drilled and tapped it to put a scope on it, used it that way for a number of years. (payed $69 for it) Boys friend saw it and picked one up for himself but payed about $125 for it and got a new stock and scope mount for it before he even shot the thing. He has somewhere around $250 into something that can barely hit a sheet of plywood at 100 yards. Some are really good, some are OK and some are crap.
    In my opinion... surplus ammo is just for fun, it will not give you an idea of what the gun can do. Russian ammo will give you some idea of what the gun can do. Winchester will probably give the best accuracy short of hand loading, but it's not cheap. I wouldn't put a dime extra into the gun until you know if it can shoot. And even after that... a Timney trigger ($89) is all I would do. Adjustable pull, smooth as silk and includes a safety which is a big improvement and makes the gun comparable to a modern bolt rifle. Even with that you are getting close to the price of a used modern rifle that wouldn't need anything to make it shoot. Back when they were $69, why not? Now at $129-$200, I don't think so.
     
  19. SSGN_Doc

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    I don't know if you have looked at axxe55s Bolt Action Rifles thread but you can take a look at some of the stuff I did with nothing but the stock parts to help improve accuracy. I'm not done tinkering yet with that rifle. It had a cracked stock and wouldn't group for beans. I found that ammo can make a pretty big difference. A lot if that can.be due to varying bullet diameters. Some loads had projectiles with diameters of .309 while the tightest grouping rounds were using projectiles near .312. With the Mosins the bore diameters could vary quite a bit and with corrosion and wear they can vary even more.

    Brown Bear has a 174 grain load that seemed to do the best. Winchester did pretty well and so did Sellior and Bellot from Czech Republic. Interestingly. The Winchester loads are made in Czech Republic and my bet is that they are from the same plant.
     
  20. Ultimate_sig

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    Well all the parts where given to me so I'm not sweatin it. I got some herters steel case ammo. Going to the range in a couple days to try it out. I may end up selling it to find a different bolt action though.