Mosin Nagant,first and only riffle?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Daxil, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. Daxil

    Daxil New Member

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    I will purchase my first firearm in a couple of months (I have only rented riffles in a youth program in my local range and own an air pellet riffle) and I am considering the Mosin Magant. I come to the conclusion it is all I will ever need. Hunting? A deer stands no chance to the 7.62X54R. Home security? Five round magazine,I only need one. Maintenance? Its simplistic bolt action and design allows for easy cleaning and adjustments. Reliability? It has been used for decades and is still a popular riffle. Price and availability? Cheep and mass produced. Ammo? Excellent caliber for a very low price.
    Range? 300 yards is all I will ever need.
    I think this one is it.
     
  2. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Helluva a first post, Daxil.

    I disagree though. The Mosin "will do" for all of the above. And I love them. But they're far from being the best in any of those areas. I don't feel they even make the top three in any one of them.

    Can it be the only rifle you'll ever need for life? Sure. I'm positive my 1911 is the last handgun I'll ever need.

    Swing by the intro threads and say Hi to the community.
     

  3. John_Deer

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    A 91/30 is not suitable for home defense. You have to have hands like Attila the Hun to work the safety. The 91/30 is suitable for cautious hunters and situations where you don't have to have a round in the chamber. When I hunt with my 91/30 I use the bolt for a safety. That is not something a new shooter should be forced into.

    Find an entry level hunting rifle. The Savage hog hunter would make a very suitable all around rifle. The hog hunter is equipped with iron sights and it is chambered in 308. I have seen the hog hunter priced at $429. The hog hunter is a well made rifle that will last for the rest of your life with proper care.
     
  4. Jpyle

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    Mosin Nagant is not, in my opinion, safe or suitable for home defense. Will it stop the threat, sure but at typical HD distances that round is just too hot. It will no doubt pass straight through the bad guy, through any walls in the home and continue down range towards whatever is in that direction. Aside from the high powered round, the Mosin Nagant is just too damned long...at 48" OAL any hallway is going to be tough to navigate and close quarter maneuvering will be nearly impossible. If you are dead set on a Mosin Nagant at least consider a carbine like the M38, M44 or the ultra affordable Chine Type 53 clone. Not going to overcome the issue with the round but at least the carbine is a more manageable length.
     
  5. therewolf

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    I have to agree if you are looking for a Mosin, you

    will be sorry, if you get the longer (4 FEET)91/30.

    Try to find a good M44 from Poland or Romania in good shape.

    They cost a little more, are more compact, and are unarguably

    a good truck gun,in all likelihood, more accurate than you,

    and will be passable for most of your needs.
     
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  6. chloeshooter

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    I have yet to meet a firearms enthusiast who has one rifle to meet all of their needs :D

    Mosins are really cool (I own 4 of them), relatively inexpensive and a great first rifle for someone on a budget. You CAN use them to hunt, many guys do, WAY too long and powerful as has been said for home defense.

    Great starter rifle but assuming you will make money your whole life, you will have money to purchase other firearms as well!
     
  7. thdrduck

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    Agree with everything said. I would hate to see what would happen if you shot one in a house, particularly with the surplus steel core ammo, (you might kill the Toyota 2 blocks down and everything in between). Fun range gun but takes $ and gunsmithing to make it a good hunting gun (the safety is a bitch). A Marlin lever with a cross bolt safety in 30-30 win would fit the bill better I would think.
     
  8. Mercator

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    You are spot on, except home defense. Have fun with the Mosin, you will figure out HD later. Choosing your M, keep in mind that a carbine will be much louder to the shooter, and the muzzle flash can be spectacular. You will fire mostly from the rest anyway. Consider a full size M91.
     
  9. Mercator

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    Edit. The M44 was not even meant to be a military rifle. It was for guard duty and enforcement.
     
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  10. John_Deer

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    What is home defense?

    I am not knocking the M44. But they are not $150 rifles. For the cost of an M44 I could find a used H&R pardner and a entry level rifle. Even the high dollar gun shop has used H&R pardners for $100. I can find a lightly used H&R pardner in just a few days for $75.
     
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  11. Mercator

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    It is not exactly escorting prisoners at a Soviet labor camp. But even if it were close enough, there are better choices today.
     
  12. JonM

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    great rifle for everything but home defense. with the money you didnt spend on a pricier low end lesser quality than a mosin savage or ruger buy a nice mossberg 12ga for home defense.
     
  13. therewolf

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    Well no offense to H&R, but it's highly unlikely

    any pump shotgun will put up with the whoopin'

    you can place upon the very sturdy M44. And

    you once again lose the benefit of the shorter

    carbine.


    For hunting boar, it's great to have a member of

    the party there, with the M44, bayonet out, ready

    to shoot, stab, and club a wild pig, on a beat down,

    at close quarters.


    That shotgun will work close range, but you will lose that

    effectiveness at longer distances.

    Many inexpensive rifles(savage comes to mind) could compete

    with the M44(at least one in good condition) dollar wise,

    but it's the rare few which can offer robust stock strength,

    hard-hitting cartridge power, and the built-in bayonet.


    If there were an issue here, I would focus upon the horrid

    safety of a Mosin. It's a design which has never been copied

    for a very good reason.
     
  14. JonM

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    when your hunting you sholdnt have a round in the chamber until your set in your hide or are ready to fire on a target. safety not needed.
     
  15. chloeshooter

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    Mosins have safeties? I must have got ripped off, all four of mine came with nothing more than Jack LaLane grip exercisers on the a** end of the action!

    I thought the 25 lb trigger pull WAS the safety! :D
     
  16. therewolf

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    Good one! Now I have to clean half a cup of coffee off my screen

    and keyboard. Any gun with a crappier safety than a Carcano

    deserves special mention, in my book.
     
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  17. dteed4094

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    In my opinion, The Mosin is a great rifle but not for a beginner. Expect to do a lot of cleaning, tweaking and shooting before you decide to appreciate it. I really thought my first one was a waste of money the first time I shot it. Now it's a ton of fun. May be over kill on small game. Get it you will eventually be glad you did.