Mosin M-44 ??

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by pioneer461, Aug 16, 2007.

  1. pioneer461

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    I received an M-44 and accessories as a gift from my son a year or so ago, and finally took it to the range a couple of weeks ago. Before doing so, I read a lot of stuff about the rifle, its history, etc. From my reading, I learned that the carbine is designed to shoot with the bayonet extended, and to adjust the sights to zero with the bayonet folded, I should use a light hammer and brass drift.

    I found the alignment mark on the front sight, which was centered and tapped the sight left, to move the group right. Nothing happened. I tapped a bit more, again nothing happened. It was getting ridiculous, so I re-aligned the sight with the mark. I used Winchester, factory ammo, on a shooting bench, at the gun club.

    Am I missing something (no pun intended :) )? Can anyone offer me suggestions? I'd like to stay away from optics to keep the gun original if I can. It’s too good of a gun to not shoot it, but would really prefer a folded bayonet.
     
  2. Pounce

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    What happened after you realigned it and use the factory ammo?
    How far off and from how far is it?
    Mine shoots about 3 in. and 4 in. down and to the right from about 45 yds.
    Suits me fine.As far as a scope you may want to check out Brownells.
    They have bases for Mosins,K-31's, Garand, Enfeilds and I think Springfeild.
    They run about $70-80. But the beauty of em is you don't have to drill and tap or change the rifle. They pretty much just screw on. Then find yourself a scope.
     

  3. pioneer461

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    All of the rounds were on the left of center, no matter how much I moved the front sight. Very odd! When I extended the bayonet, the rounds shifted right, almost at the edge of the paper at 100 yds.

    I'm not going to put optics on it. I want to keep it original.

    I obviously need more range time with this rifle. May have to break down and buy surplus ammo.
     
  4. pioneer461

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    I'll either get it to shoot where I want, or I will sell it.
     
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    Keep it. History. Those base mounts from Brownells don't change anything. It will stay original.
     
  6. pioneer461

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    I guess I'm just old school. I worked for Leupold for about 5 years ('01-'06). Companies in the shooting industry constantly trade products for "R & E" (research & evaluation), and we had a steady inflow of guns from all major gun makers. Every gun that came in, the marketing crew immediately slapped a scope on it. There are some rifles which just should not have scopes on them. Winchester / Marlin lever guns, military guns, other reproduction models, just somehow don't look right with glass on 'em. Especially modern optics.

    As I said, I'm old school. :)
     
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    Still, those 91/30's were excellent sniper rifles.(w/scopes) The M44 is a carbine. I see your point on that one. I like the way they look with a scope,Mauser's and the rest of those old war horses. I have quite a collection and have never had any altered. I may give it a 'shot' one day with one of those screw on's though. I'm old school also.:)
     
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    My only other old gun is a 1889 Springfield, Krag Jorgenson .30-40. The original owner sporterized the stock many moons ago, and made it a hunter. His grandson sold it to me while we both worked at Leupold. No scope tho. The smoothest action I've ever shot. What a sweetheart.
     
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    It's a shame about the stock. Still a good one to hang on to. You might want to look into a C&R.
     
  10. yellolab94

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    I agree w/ ya pioneer, keep it the way it is!!!!! I can see if your eyesight is gone and get a setup that will not effect the integrity of the historic rifle. My M44 is temper-mental. Some days it will be on the money @ 50 yards and off @ 100 and vise versa. So I shoot a couple of rounds down range and see where they land and use the old Kentucky Windage!! Fun rifles
     
  11. Boris

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    Mosin Nagant M38

    Pioneer

    Just a thought, I once had a post war M44 manuactured in Poland and it was spot on the money, but I also had an M38 as you know same rifle no bayonet. You might have better luck with one, I also prefer to shoot them in their original configeration.

    I did think the M38 better balanced and I shot it a little better with it. Mind you I was using Soviet military ammo, I remember because the ammo came in a bloody great sardine can with 500 rounds in it, went off like a cannon...happy days
     
  12. shoez

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    If your rifle won't shoot consistantly, check the mount that holds the bayonet to the barrel. If you haven't already noticed, it is a sleeve that has the front sight on it and the bayonet lug as well. These can get loose from using the bayonet. Mine was shooting all over the place when I first got my M44, then figured out the front sight was moving all over the place. As I only paid $49 for mine, I just welded the sleeve to the barrel. No more problems. Just a couple of quick tack welds with my MIG welder. You gunsmithing types out there may cringe, but like I said, I only paid $49 for the rifle. I did not have much to lose. I've put about 500 rounds through it since then. No problems.

    BTW, shawnyboy, I hope seriously you don't mean you have tried .308 Winchester rounds in the 7.62x54R rifles. That is NOT an interchangeable cartridge. A very dangerous situation.
     
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  13. fapprez

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    You said you were adjusting the front sight? Try moving the rear sights and let me know what happens. I, too have an M44 and it is spot on. It is one of my favorites of my collection. I hope you can get it figured out. What a fun one to shoot.

    Edit: Sorry, I thought you were hitting high and low. I guess I should have read it right the first time.
     
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