Mosin–Nagant question

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by KJG67, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. KJG67

    KJG67 New Member

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    I've been looking for a Mosin–Nagant to surprise my son. I'm not the expert at all on old firearms.

    A couple of years ago when he was at a camp in Wyoming, he won a .22LR competition and the prize was taking a few shots with a Russian sniper rifle. As he was 12 at the time and I wasn't there, we don't know exactly what model it was. Of course he took pictures of what he shot, but not the rifle.

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    He was absolutely thrilled with being able to shoot it - prone of course, and still had a slight bruse to his shoulder to show for it. :) Searching some pictures online back then, he thinks it was a Mosin–Nagant Model 1891/30. Of course now that he's older, I can't find one without spending more than really want to. GunBroker has two, but the pristine one is $500, which is more than I was planning on spending. There's a cheaper one, but I don't like the condition. Not a huge deal - I just keep looking.

    Just saw Cabela's has Mosin-Nagant Model 91/30's in stock right now for $150. Just looking for some thoughts on this 91/30 or other suggestions.
    Thanks.
     
  2. Hectocotylus

    Hectocotylus New Member

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    The 91/30 is a great gun get them around 100 or so. Up a little lately so 150 isn't terrible.
     

  3. Grizzdude

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    I hear people get good ones from budsguns, try shoping around at your local big 5 store. They are usually stocked with mosin's
     
  4. KJG67

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    I've never been in the position of thanking a Hectocotylus, but thanks. :p

    Grizzdude - no Big 5's out here, but thanks as well.
     
  5. vincent

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    I've bought 3 from Bud's, 2 of them were not exactly prom queens but one was as near to unblemished as a 70 year old mil-surp rifle could be. All 3 have clean bores with lots of life left in them. Bud's has always done me well...

    The key to buying these rifles is bore, bore, bore...The mil-surp ammo is corrosive and if it wasn't cleaned properly, you'll waste your money on a rusty mess..

    I guess $150 would be considered reasonable nowadays and with these new 'executive actions' concerning mil-surp imports, it may be a good time to get it before the prices go through the roof...

    Look into the Chinese T-53's too. Same gun (basically) and is still out there to be had and affordable...

    The M-44's are an option too in a carbine version but may be a bit more pricy.

    The Finnish M-39's are considered the gold standard by some but you're getting into the $300-$500 range...(me has one and it's all that and a bag of chips...:p)

    In my neck of the woods, my LGS's get them in bulk but they go pretty quickly...I try to stay away from the big box stores.

    Here's the go to site for Mosin info...

    http://7.62x54r.net/

    And a quick pic of my alleged 'prom queen'...
     

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  6. KJG67

    KJG67 New Member

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    Wow! I'd dance with her any day!
    Thanks for the tips.
     
  7. Hectocotylus

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    Lol I hope you googled what a hectocotylus is. :)
     
  8. KJG67

    KJG67 New Member

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    Yes, it sounded vaguely familiar from way back when but just had to confirm.
     
  9. JWagner

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    Do a tour of local gun shops and pawn shops. Seek out the 91/30 rifle and avoid the M44 carbine; the carbine kicks so hard that it takes the fun out of things pretty quickly. If I recall, J&G Sales has just raised the prices on 91/30 guns to about $200. Do you have a local site called "backpage"? It is like Craigslist, but does have lots of firearms stuff in the sporting equipment section. Good luck with your search.
     
  10. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Well I have now...
    I must say, that's creative! I'm lol'ing.
     
  11. marc29th

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    J&G has a couple different variations on stock.

    http://www.jgsales.com/c-r-guns-c-290.html

    Unless you have a C&R license they will need yo ship to a FFL for a transfer usually $25-$35 so factor that and shipping in.

    Try Armlist.com for your state as someone local maybe selling one private sale.
     
  12. Hectocotylus

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    I must disagree the m44 and m38 variants are a party and a half. Recoil is not that much different and the flash and bang are worth it!
     
  13. Hectocotylus

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    When you need a username that is unique...
     
  14. KJG67

    KJG67 New Member

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    Yikes! Just Googled Backpage Chicago. I got chicago.backpage, but hit #1 is escorts, #3 onwards are pretty much the same - body rubs, transexual escorts, therapeutic massage... I think my wife would have a problem with me checking out that 'sporting equipment.' :D I did check out the main site, and the few listed took me back to armslist. The hunt continues, but I might just grab one from Cabella's if they look decent.

    Appreciate the M44 carbine tip. Last thing he needs is a busted shoulder.

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    So I guess I neglected to ask the more important question: how do I know if it's in decent shape and safe to fire? I'll be reading on the link vincent provided above, but any Cliff Note version? Should it be checked by a gunsmith first? I'm going to presume Cabella's is going to be selling ones that have had some sort of once-over already.
     
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  15. JWagner

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    Bring along a sample of the ammo and check the barrel by inserting the bullet into the muzzle. If it drops in, it means either that the bore is worn a lot or it has been counterbored to salvage the barrel. The counterbored barrel will allow the front of the cartridge to enter the barrel and still be loose. The bullet should stop before the cartridge touches the barrel.
     
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  17. vincent

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    If it's available for sale from a dealer, it's probably good to go. They usually buy them in bulk and they have been re-arsenaled and packed in goop...cosmoline...for long term storage. If you buy from a private seller, then who knows, it might pay to have a gunsmith give it a once over...headspace, firing pin protrusion etc... although that stuff is easy enough to do on your own, it's a really simple firearm to own...

    Bring a bore light with you and inspect the bore for rust, pitting and excessive wear on the lands and grooves. Most will usually have some pitting and wear which is fine as long as it's not too bad but once in a while you can get one that is in pristine shape.

    If it were me, I'd avoid the counter-bored ones...nothing wrong with them per se, but why bother with it when you don't have to...The bullet trick JWagner talked about is a good one too...

    Some are picky about all matching SN's...some (like me) not so much. Yes, a matching set will increase the value and collectability but it's only ever going to be worth so much. Plus if you're just buying it to be a shooter, can't see how the numbers really matter...

    Pic of a counter bore...pretty easy to tell...
     

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  18. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    Our LGS has three of them for $400 each. Have they gone up that much or is he price gouging?
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  19. vincent

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    91/30's for $400????????? Gotta be freakin' kidding me!!!!!

    If they are 91/30's then hells yes he's gouging!!!!!!

    Tell him to go jump in the lake!!!
     
  20. monroe45CAL

    monroe45CAL New Member

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    My opinion nothing to hunt with just a toy i wouldn't spend over 150 on one and it should come with bayonet oil pouch oil and a few other peices i got 1 it was made in 1944 don't shoot steel caseings only brass can't say it enough