More on Gunrunner

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    This is from local Arizona news station ABC15.

    Update: ATF‘s ’Project Gunrunner’ Weapons Turning Up in Arizona Crimes

    Update: ATF‘s ’Project Gunrunner’ Weapons Turning Up in Arizona Crimes | Breaking news and opinion on The Blaze

    A local Arizona news station has uncovered some startling new evidence showing the extent of the ineptitude surrounding the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) and it’s failed “project gunrunner program.” According to the station, guns that the ATF allowed to be purchased by suspicious individuals in the U.S. and then “walked” to and distributed in Mexico are turning up in area crimes.
     
  2. Mack Bolan

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    i also heard that the reps, by allowing one of obamas nominations to go through recently that they were blocking with a philabuster, cant remember who it was or what position, but by agreeing to let him(the nomination) through they supposedly got all the paperwork on this case they were requesting from the DOJ that they(DOJ) were refusing to turn over....havent confirmed this with another news source yet, i heard that particular detail on npr
     

  3. therewolf

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    Yeah. And this administration has the balls to call US

    irresponsible with guns...
     
  4. Jpyle

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    Bunch of pr*&ks...if you recall they tried to get ahead of this story and use it to justify more restrictions on guns. Before the truth came out they were blaming the inflow of guns to Mexico on irresponsible gunstore owners.
     
  5. therewolf

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    Well, since the Fed has shown they're SO IRRESPONSIBLE with

    guns, I guess we'll have to confiscate all BATFE's, FBI, and the Secret

    Service's weapons, don't you think?
     
  6. Bigcountry02

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  7. Millwright

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    What Ken Melson's "Limited Hangout Defense" (ala Nixon), has done is put the Grassley/Issa hound pack on yet another trail. I don't for a moment believe his mea culpa plea, but he had to buy some insurance and Rep. Issa's Committee was the only market.

    Since none of what Melson alleges - and apparently documented - could have been accomplished without the active participation of the upper levels of DOJ, the FBI and DHS, a lot of President Obama's "boys" are deep in the doo-doo. Now let's see if the Harvard Law graduate can protect them. And how he does it.

    Since this fiasco also spans BATF/USG agents manipulating Mexican government and arms shipped to various governments via aegis of the USDS that means Ms. Clinton gets to weigh in on the issue. Since "back when" the OA proudly displayed seized arms the gun community knew couldn't be bought without BATFE involvement, the "US/Mexican Gun Trafficing" has been exposed as a false-flag operation. President Obama's childishly snide "were working under the radar", response to a meeting with Brady Bunch execs confirmed it.

    From what's emerging it appears we're seeing revealed is a very high level and extremely compartmentalized covert operation intended to sway public opinion against, not only gun sales, but pro-gun organizations and owners. All of this involves bureaucracy, and not a paper clip is tossed but its disposition is noted in that system. So somewhere exists records of monies distributed who got them, for what purpose and the authorizing authority. That's a lot of threads. Perhaps Sen. Grassley and Rep. Issa can follow them to the skirts of who's responsible. >MW
     
  8. dunerunner

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    Well Stated Millwright!! Thumbs Up [​IMG]
     
  9. fireguy

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    More about Melson testimony. FBI and DEA were alledgedly involved. Deputy Attorney General seems to be a key figure who was instructed to cover up details and obstruct congress.

    Pajamas Media » Gunwalker: The ATF
     
  10. Millwright

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    Wait ! There's more !!

    This from the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog by Mike Vanderboegh, and Dave Codrea.

    Sipsey Street Irregulars

    As I've stated all along, Gunwalker couldn't have been solely confined to one BATF office. Past mentions have included SC, GA, TX and NM FFLs being squeezed by ATF for straw purchases. All these deals have become suspect. Were they done with government funding as well ? ( Pipelining straw-purchased guns to gangs in major East Coast urban areas -politically liberal and hoplophobic - would address the OA's need for a "crisis" to use to its anti-gun advantage.)

    Now the scene shifts to FL !! Where will it stop ?

    Mssrs. Codrea and Vanderboegh are serious investigative reporters. It was their skill and dedication that started unraveling the OFF cloak. If they say they smell smoke, I'll bet there's a fire. >MW
     
  11. Sniper03

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    I heard today of FOX that Eric Holder was trying to put a muzzle/hush on some of the ATF Officials about what happened. They interviewed one on the news today. Not to mention bringing the terrorist to the US for trial. He obviously is afraid it might effect Mr. Wonderful's reelection.

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  12. Millwright

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    No doubt the OA wanted to keep all this hushed up until a particular whistleblower protection statute expired in September of this year. ( I suspect a factor in Ken Melson's sudden, secret holiday appearance before Rep. Issa's Committee.) Failng that, its done its best to delay and obsfuscate. ( As the large number of completely blacked out pages sent as response to Rep. Issa's supoena.) Having this sort of scandal hit the front page just prior to the election would spell disaster.

    Curious, though, how so much potential scandal is being so studiously ignored by the lame-stream media. Even some major talk radio types are staying away. I wonder why ? Its not because there isn't enough "blood in the water". We have all the plot elements for a TV series right now. All that's missing is sex, and we find that yet. >MW
     
  13. Bigcountry02

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    Local radio was talking about Project Gunrunner and online has it too:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011...ner-and-obama-signed-funding-for-it-into-law/

    The location:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1:

    8 . American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)

    This is the pdf of the final bill.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr1enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr1enr.pdf

    Congress 111 H.R. 1

    Downloaded the final signed copy by the WH and on page 16, the 3rd paragraph, reads the following:

    "For an additional amount for ‘‘State and Local Law Enforcement
    Assistance’’, $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide
    assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the
    Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to
    combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern
    border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘‘Bureau of
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses’’
    for the ATF Project Gunrunner."
     
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  14. cddbrowns

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    Anyone ever notice that every time something negative comes out about this "government" we have now, there is another story that is taking up most of the public eye? This case in FL has everyone all up in "arms" like they have something to actually do with it, while this is happening right under everyones nose, and personally, this will play more in my life than the other.

    Numbers for jobs and approval ratings at the lowest.....BAM! Osama is caught.

    I cant remember the thing that was taking everyone attention away from Libya but the sheeple were all up in arms then too......

    Just a thought.
     
  15. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    We the people that are watching are connecting the dots and it is not going to a small fry, it goes to the top.

    Yeap! Distraction from what is going on. I have a long list of sites saved and scan them for information. They avoid the BS in the media and dig for the dirt or what is going under the radar.

    Now for more Gun Runner, page 19 for the funding.

    http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf

    Project Gunrunner Budget

    Initially, Project Gunrunner had no dedicated funding within ATF’s budget. ATF funded all of the initiative’s operations out of its general appropriation. As ATF expanded the initiative in response to the increased violence in Mexico and concern over firearms trafficking into Mexico, ATF began seeking dedicated funds for Project Gunrunner, starting with its FY 2008 budget request. In FY 2009, ATF received $21.9 million to support and expand Project Gunrunner. This included $5.9 million in ATF’s FY 2009 appropriation for Project Gunrunner, $10 million in March 2009 from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act), and an additional $6 million in June of that year. Under Public Law No. 111-230 (2010), Emergency Border Security Supplemental Appropriations, ATF received an additional $37.5 million for the continued expansion of Project Gunrunner in FY 2010.
     
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  16. therewolf

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    The fox is guarding the hen-house.

    Aren't these guys at ATF the ones who go on and on about how

    THEY don't trust US with a large assortment of firearms?



    NOW, it's blatantly obvious all along that WE can't trust THEM.


    DE-fund the defunct.
     
  17. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    You need to watch and listen very carefully to this video.

    Project Gun Runner (Fast and Furious) was launched under the orders of President Barack Obama with the knowledge of Attorney General Eric Holder. Deputy Attorney General David Ogden announced the Obama Administration's new and aggressive 'comprehensive plan' on March, 24, 2009. The plan was aimed at disrupting gun trafficking between the United States and Mexico.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc]YouTube - ‪Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious‬‏[/ame]
     
  18. Yunus

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  19. towboater

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    ya wont see it on socialist, liberal channles.
     
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