more old odd guns

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Trez, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    heres another pinfire i know nothing about..... its double barreled. the triggers fold out when the gun is cocked and retract when the hammers are down or fired.
     

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  2. Trez

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    a couple of what i think are .22 single shot pistols....
     

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  3. CA357

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    Very interesting Trez. I like the stag grip on the top one.
     
  4. TimL2952

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    man i love seeing these old guns...
     
  5. Hawg

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    Here's an interesting one I no longer have. Allen & Wheelock .22 lipfire 7 shot side hammer. It was made in 1858.


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  6. c3shooter

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    I have one .25 Cal lipfire round in my collection- along with a couple of teatfires, cupfires, ect. Strange little detour in gun design. The .22 single shots are Warnant/ Flobert type pistols- made for BB/ CB caps ONLY- a short may cause them to self disassemble.
     
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  7. Hawg

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    A short would disassemble that A&W. I saw it happen to one very much like it.
     
  8. Reinhard

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    are there any proofmarks or caliber markings on these guns ?
     
  9. Reinhard

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    if the gun reads 'FCA DE ARETIO VITORIA" than your gun is made in Spain ,probably 11mm ,it could be a copy of a "known" gun maker,made by a French or Belgian gunshop ,dates around 1860, any proofmarks or text you can read on this pistol? smoothbore or rifled barrel?
     
  10. orangello

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    Lipfire? I'm gonna have to go read up on that one. It sounds like something you catch off the overly friendly cheerleader in Jr. High.

    edit* Yup, that is an odd one. http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/glossary.htm interesting page
     
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  11. Trez

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    the double barreled pinfire has some ingraving, but no wording or proofmarks. is only 7" long. it is a smoothbore and smaller than my 9mm pinfire. i would guess 6 or 7 mm.
    the .22's have no marks at all. the larger one is about 7" long and the other is 5" long.
    my dad used to call all the guns above "muff" guns and said they were carried by women.
     
  12. Hawg

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    Muff guns were usually single barrel center hammer pistols.
     
  13. Reinhard

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    I think that the double pinfire and the two single shot .22 guns are from an unkown gun maker,the double barrel gun is made in Europe ,the two single shots look American made .
    I estimate the double barrel is around $300 ,don't know on the singleshots there are single shot derringers of unknown makers that are very rare and expensive

    Orangello what about "underhammer pistol" ? .....lipfire & underhammer:D
     
  14. orangello

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    Yep, the "muff" gun thing is cracking me up right now.
     
  15. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    wow! thanks for the info on the .22 BB/CB. i never heard of it before. i thought they were shorts. glad i never had the urge to shoot them!
    heres a revolver i think is the same caliber. its 7" long. on top of the barrel its marked "Hopkins & Allen Mfg. Co. Pat. Mar.28.1871" and on the top strap "XL No.1 NY" Serial # appears to be 979 T. its a smoothbore as well.

    Are any of these guns collectable? How much would they be worth?
     

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  16. Hawg

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    There's some collector interest but not a lot. Anywhere from 200-400. I traded the A&W straight across for a LNIB Ruger Old Vaquero Bisley but the A&W was one of the direct Rollin White patent infringements that was originally sold before the lawsuit.
     
  17. Trez

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    nice one hawg! ive never seen the hammer on the side of the gun like that. nice deal on the Vaquero (hey i got one too!)
    there neat old guns, but i want something more shootable.

    Thanks for all the info so far, i enjoy learning the history of guns, and i wouldnt mind seeing some of your guys oddball guns!
     
  18. Hawg

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    I didn't like it and traded it straight across for a NIB Uberti Cattleman.

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  19. Reinhard

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    a nice pic; that's a bisley version of the cattleman
    I have mine since 1994
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  20. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    ive never shot my vaquero its still brand new, never even had a round in it. my dad bought it 15-20 yrs ago and it got put up and kinda forgotten. im not really a handgun guy, i like collecting and shooting old military rifles.