More documentation???

Discussion in 'New Jersey Gun Forum' started by drvsafe, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    What's the best way to handle the local PD asking for documents other than the standard State police pistol purchase application? I went in March of this year and they told me that my FPID was old and it required updated documentation. So I said, ok, here you go, filled them out and paid my fees.

    Now, I'm going to get a new permit to purchase and they are again requiring me to fill out the yellow State Police background check form in addition to the regular application, plus pay an additional $18 for the background check!! The LT. in charge was polite about it, and told me he'd look into it and get back to me.

    But what is:
    1. The legal requirement in terms of documentation for a pistol purchase permit? What documents are they required to ask for? and
    2. How do I handle this properly so as not to piss anyone off and not have to submit more documentation than NJ State Police requires?
     
  2. kewldevil1

    kewldevil1 New Member

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    Talk to the guys at nj2as. Hopefully ur already a member but in any case bring ur town to the attention of frank fiamingo. There are bringing up law suits against towns that require more then what the state says. Some towns u need a note from your landlord if u rent. Nj is ****ed up. Glad I moved to a free state. Check out gun for hire radio if u haven't they are a great bunch of guys and they have great info if u live in jersey and own a gun.
     

  3. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    But what is:
    1. The legal requirement in terms of documentation for a pistol purchase permit? What documents are they required to ask for? and
    Every pistol permit requires a yellow form, the application and a fee, currently $18 to SBI and $2 per permit. The update requirement for your FOID is bull****, not required regardless of how old your old one is unless it is damaged and they issued a replacement. You should not have had to reapply and go through the entire process or be fingerprinted again. This is the biggest gripe about the Jersey process, aside from it's existence...you have a background check for the FOID, then one for the permit, then a NICS when you buy a firearm...then again for every permit and purchase. In a lifetime you may have 2 dozen or more background checks.

    2. How do I handle this properly so as not to piss anyone off and not have to submit more documentation than NJ State Police requires?
    The advice to contact NJ2AS is spot on. They are actively forcing all townships in NJ to fully comply with NJ state firearms law. No extra forms, fees or administrative ballbusting. Go to the website and look under Operation Compliance. I have worked with them directly in my town and can give you the contact info for the person leading the effort. Shoot me a PM if you are interested.
     
  4. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    I posted on NJ2A's Facebook page and got an PM from Bob. We spoke and got down to the fact of the matter which was that you are all correct, that the requirement of renewing the FOID is BS and that the yellow form is required. So as soon as I am well (sick as a dog this week) I'm heading out to apply again, this time with money orders in hand.
     
  5. kewldevil1

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    Good luck. Nj needs to get its head out of it ass. It amazes me that I could now buy 500 handguns and move back to nj and all 500 handguns are voluntary registration but as a resident u are restricted to one every 32 days.
     
  6. strix

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    I'm getting fingerprinted Thursday I hear its a 3 month wait. I would hate to wait all that time for a no.
     
  7. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    Strix did you get your FPID?

    I applied on December 7 2012 for my purchase permit and as of today (January 29th) still no permit. What confounds me is that they have all the documentation and background checks returned to them already yet there is still a delay for someone still has to physically review it and sign off.

    It really grinds my gears, we're talking about almost 2 months for something that they state takes 30 days! I'm already in the system, no issues whatsoever.

    There should be no reason for this long of a delay.
     
  8. kewldevil1

    kewldevil1 New Member

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    It's sad but in some towns the wait is over a year. If u know some one it will be a lot quicker. Mine took about 2 months in Randolph. Just keep calling the issuing officer and ask nicely how much longer it will be.
     
  9. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    Actually went down to the station since its next to the library. They told me anywhere from Tuesday (after mlk day) to a couple of weeks. The 7th of February will be 2 months.
     
  10. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    What grinds my gears even more is that one town over in eatontown, my sister got her purchase permit in less than 30 days. She just picked hers up yesterday.
    I feel like if I make a stink about it with the PD, they will just put me in the bottom of the pile. What's a person to do? I suppose I am relegated to just sitting tight and waiting.
    Btw this is another perfect example of why I'm heading out of the armpit of America called New Jersey.
     
  11. Jpyle

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    That's how they get away with it. The Courts in NJ have ruled that the 30 day requirement doesn't matter. Try that excuse if you have to go to court...I was too busy to show up on time, I'll get back to you in a few weeks.
     
  12. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    Ugh. "It's cooler by the shore" is wearing thin on me. There are like 1,850 other miles of shoreline in the US...
     
  13. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Yeah but how many have a Snooki?
     
  14. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    HA! For 15 years I've lived full time on the Jersey Shore, though I summered here as a kid. I've always had a strong connection with this area. But I have never wanted to distance myself from here before until the past 2 years. From the horrible job market to Snooki! I say that as a joke, though there is some good, the bad side of the scale seems to be getting heavier and heavier. Rationalizing my property value dropping with, "well I'm across the street from a lake and less than a mile from the beach" doesn't work any more. Everything costs so damn much here besides gasoline. If I had one or two good job prospects then; the crappy weather in the winter and end of summer, and the dropping property values, and the horrible infrastructure and the terrible 2nd amendment rights, and the higher by the year cost of living and tuition bills skyrockets, would all be mildly bearable.

    I had to rant on a bit. I am being proactive in terms of looking for work out of the state I have to say, so there will be a move for me and my family in the near future, not sure when, but the sooner the better. :cool:
     
  15. NJJP17

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    Wow i feel pretty fortunate living in my town after hearing all the horror stories from ur nj towns really sorry to hear guys... I waited a couple weeks to a month for my NJFPID and anytime i want pistol permits i fill out the paperwork and i get them back in about a day-a week... The detective that issues my permits is a pretty cool guy and always jokes with me when i apply for more permits.
     
  16. Jpyle

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    What town are you in...maybe I'll move. :p
     
  17. NJJP17

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    Hightstown/east windsor
     
  18. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    I wish I were that fortunate. I have a good rapport with the gentleman that is in charge of the filings, but the captain signs off on all of the purchase permits and obviously Long Branch is quite backed up and that is the reason I'm told. Sucks.
     
  19. kirbinster

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    Wow, did you piss Kathy off? I applied for mine in Randolph (FID & 4 P2P) and got them both yesterday. That is exactly four weeks from the initial application and less than two weeks from when my references were returned. I wrote a nice e-mail of thanks to the chief for the quick and professional handling of this.
     
  20. eatmydust

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    Hey, drvsafe - I personally like your list of sidearms in your signature area, but it might be a good idea to remove them temporarily, until all the baloney is past. Just sayin'.