Moment of inspiration, or crackpot idea?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by kfox75, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I was watching the news the other night, and they had a peice on wine vending machines. The machine takes your I.D., a person at a computer on the other end verifies via a camera that it is you. Then you insert your money or credit card, and make your selection.

    Now, many of us on here probably remember the breathalizer coin op machines that were in a lot of the bars during the 80s and 90s. I wonder if the two devices could be modified and made into a key check machine for bars, and if it would have any affect on the number of DWIs in areas with a lot of bars. I live 15 minutes from a college town, and 1\2 mile from a major party resort during the summer, needless to say DWIs are a major problem where I live. Having lost 5 people that I was close to in the last 20 years due to this, and almost dieing in an accident caused by a drunk driver when I was in high school, This is an issue that hits close to home.

    A couple years back, NY State change the legalyy intoxicated BAC to .08, and last August they put a law in place that requires anyone convicted of DWI to install an ignition interlock on any car they will be driving. To me, that equates to locking the barn door after your horses escape. It just dosen't make sense.

    Your thoughts.
     
  2. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Wouldn't an interlock inhibit repeat offenses? What would you suggest?
     

  3. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Possibly preventing first offenses. If a machine could be made that a person could put their keys in voluntarily, they would get a check card (similar to checking a coat at an upscale establishment, just with a machine instead of a person) after their I.D. is entered into the machine, their picture could be taken, and either a person in a central office, or facial recognition software could be used to verify that they are the person on the I.D. When they are ready to leave the bar, the steps to get their keys back would go as follows.

    1 Insert check card.
    2 Insert I.D.
    3 Insert sraw, and take breath test.
    4 If good to go, your keys and documents are returned to you, and you are on your way. Return check card to its receptice and head on out. If you are at or above the threshold of DWAI or DWI, the machine will return the key check card and your I.D., and tell you to get a ride home (cab, bus, sober friend, etc.). Then the person could come back the next day and get their keys and vehicle when they are legaly able to drive. Thus preventing a DWI related accident in the first place.

    All that the current laws do is punish after the fact, they really don't prevent DWIs as effectivly as they could. Like I said, not a mandatory thing, but an option of prevention.
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    First, try getting a liquor license for the machine. Give us time to pop some corn- we wanna watch this!:p

    In 1970, had a beer vending machine in my mess hall. At that time, drinking age was 18. Machine only "open" during the evening meal. Not a problem, and after the novelty wore off (about 2 weeks) usage dropped off a lot. If 4 of the troops were playing poker in the barracks during the evening and wanted a beer, go get one. Reduced DUIs (going to the PX to get more beer)
     
  5. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    It might just work. It is a little crackpot, but it might work.
     
  6. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    Won't stop them from getting drunk at home and driving. What we really need is a real test to get a drivers license in the first place. Like a friend of mine once said 30% of all fatal accidents are caused by drunk drivers, that means 70% of them are caused by sober drivers.
     
  7. KG7IL

    KG7IL Well-Known Member

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    NO SILLY.... he isn't talking about vending alcohol. He is talking about an electronic hat check for your keys and license.

    Great idea if voluntary for the pub and patrons.

    I really don't want ANY MORE LAWS. I want less laws that are more clear.

    I always liked "Thou Shalt Not Murder"

    :)
     
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  8. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Yanno, Google is justifying their autonomous (driverless) cars by pointing out that 99% of all auto accidents are caused by human error.

    Well, no sh!t Sherlock! There are maybe a handful of autonomous cars on the road so the accidents caused by them don't freaking show up on the statistics at all!!!!
     
  9. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Used to have a friend that used logic like that. Believed he should carry a bomb with him when flying- since there was never a known case of a plane having TWO bombs aboard at the same time.


    The folks down at the home tell me he is much happier now since he learned how to crochet potholders. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree, it is a little kind of crazy, but nonetheless, still a decent idea. the only problem i see is people actually using it. if people would utilize it, and act responsible, it does have potential to keep an intoxicated driver off the road.
     
  11. KG7IL

    KG7IL Well-Known Member

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    Damm, you saw right through them statistics.

    What bothered me was a study that showed, 80 percent of accidents were caused by licensed drivers. Since only 20% of the accidents were unlicensed drivers. Since most of the accidents were caused by licensed drivers, the obvious solution would be to limit driving my licensed drivers.

    Here is a CA sudy http://www.dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/rd/resnotes/unlicensed.htm
     
  12. KG7IL

    KG7IL Well-Known Member

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    Seriously tho ... I came up with a much better idea. I stopped drinking about 20 years ago. This works for me.
     
  13. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Yeah, like Trip with his kid in the company truck? ;)

    Its been a few years since I have been in a bar, but I don't think that the number of responsible patrons has increased by any measurable amount.

    What you need to do is make a bar game out of it. Make it into a slot machine or something. The drunk puts his keys in the slot and blows on the breathalyzer. If he blows drunk the keys disappear and a cab is called. If he blows sober then he gets a buck or something. ;) Drunks love bar games, don't they?
     
  14. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Unfortunatly, that is all too true. If others at a New Years Eve party had been better at taking keys from drunks, or disabling vehicles, I wouldn't set off metal detectors at airports and courthouses. The private parties and beer runns are an area where the individual must learn to make the responsible choice. That is something I know all too well.

    LMAO! That is why I asked if it was a crazy idea. Just think, if I'm putting something that crazy on the board, what do I keep to myself?:p It's pretty scary inside my head, trust me, I'm stuck in there with no chance of escape!:D

    I agree with you KG7IL. I didn't quit, but I only drink at home and I never drive when I do. If I have to go somewhere, I phone a friend or get a family member to take me there. Much safer that way, not to mention cheaper!

    I like the way you think Viking! That was actually why those Quarter opperated breathalizers were taken out of the bars. College kids and adults were trying for the high score.Had one friend, back in my pub crawling days, that blew a .39. I'm amazed that he wasn't dead (.36 is pushing fatal), and that he has lived long enough to be married with 3 kids. Needless to say, we called his dad to come get us that night. Our DD left us at the bar to go home with someone he picked up, and we didn't hear from him for 2 days. He must have had one he!! of a good time!:D
     
  15. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Yup. Make a game out of it and the drunks will love it! On an unrelated note I see where they put up those radar speed signs near schools, some people try and get a high score on those too I bet.
     
  16. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I still have the local record.:p
     

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  17. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Exactly that. You just can't regulate "good sense".

    Human error vs. mechanical error........breaks failing, power steering going ouit, etc. But almost all of those can be controlled by maintaining and knowing one's car.
     
  18. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    See, if people were responsible enough to use it, they'd be responsible enough not to DUI in the first place and wouldn't need it.
     
  19. Old_Crow

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    I used to work in a transmission shop that had a vending machine for beer. At 5 pm on weekdays and at noon on Saturdays we were free to pop the top, even if working overtime. A few customers complained. The shop owner told them they could wait another day or live with it. He had very good employee moral and low employee turnover. I hated to leave that shop.
     
  20. Doc3402

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    I agree with your goal, but I don't think your solution would work. Too many people do their drinking outside of bars. College keg parties, the office Christmas party, cocktail parties in the home, and weekend binge drinkers to name a few. One common method of abuse down here is to buy a case or three of beer, go boating or to the beach, get drunk and then drive home. Sunday afternoons can get very interesting to say the least.