Molot M44 Review

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by zaitsev44, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. zaitsev44

    zaitsev44 Active Member

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    I got my M44 Tuesday from J&G Sales, and my first thought when I pulled it out of the box was "Oh crap". My eyes went straight to the scuffs, gouges, and overall condition of the stock. I knew the newer imports had rough stocks, but I had never seen one in person. I then checked the year, and I got exactly what I wanted a wartime (1944) Izhevsk, and all matching as well! The tang date was also 1944 Izhevsk. The markings were well stamped an clear. It, of course, had the large billboard import stamp on the left side (PW Arms), which I don't have a problem with. It's an arsenal refurb, as suspected, and as refurbs go, this one had average (good) finish. The bore was icky at first, but after a good cleaning it looks a lot better with light debris, dark grooves, strong overall rifling, and no counterbore. The bayonet, from what I can tell, is an early variant, it doesn't have the cut on the outside of the mounting ring to aid the locking of the bayonet to the outward position, and has the single ear. Also, if you ever want to take your bayonet off, think twice!, I took mine off because it felt sticky when being deployed, and after a good cleaning, a wrestling/try to to get impaled match broke out between me and the bayonet. But after 20 minutes of anger, frustration, unkind words, and a rubber mallet, I got it back in place. The barrel bands on this one were the same way, particularly the front band, VERY tight. The overall action is good for a Mosin, but not as good as my '41 Izhevsk. All the parts are post-1928 Izhevsk with the exception of the front barrel band which is a post-1928 Tula. The stock appears to have had the finish stripped (by Molot I suppose) which I'm not a huge fan of. There are still areas of remaining shellac where they missed, it used to be a beautiful "Soviet Shellac Red" like my '41, and as said before, it's pretty roughed up. The stock has the Ukrainian refurb stamp, and a few other unidentified markings (could not find meaning on 7.62x54r.net). There was absolutely no cosmoline on the rifle (another sign of Molot), which kind of upset me because I actually love cleaning up cosmoline ;) The bolt internals did have this motor oil type stuff on it though. It was marked under the handguard with the Molot marking, as well as the House of Klimvosk (close enough haha ) on the bolt body and on the topside of the tang. The rifle was complete, as suspected. I like the size of it, but I know it's recoil will be stout. I purchased this rifle from J&G Sales when they were on sale for $149, and I'm very pleased with them. The shipping was quick and it was well packaged. It and with the oil bottle (CAKED in cosmoline, so I guess I'll get my fix) and your normal tools (no pouch). I highly recommend J&G Sales if you are in the market, their CS is great and friendly, and as long as your overall order consists more than roughly $30, then shipping is reasonable ($9.95 minimum shipping, $19 to ship the M44 from AZ to AL). I am overall very pleased with my purchase, even if the stock is rough. If you are in the market for an M44, then Wideners has them for $169+shipping (they're the cheapest I've seen) since J&G doesn't have them on sale anymore ($199 now). Hope this review helped, I apologize that it jumps around from topic to topic. Any and all feedback is appreciated!
     
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  2. zaitsev44

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    It also appears to have a toe repair as well.

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  3. walkercolt1847

    walkercolt1847 New Member

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    Doesn't look too bad!

    If you want to keep the original shellac finish but want to smooth out and cover the scuffs and scratches, especially near the cleaning rod, use a small amount of denatured alcohol on a paper towel and wipe in a circular motion. Shellac will completely liquify like this, and you can spread out the finish to cover the area. It dries really fast to.

    You can also use a little Bullseye amber shellac from Wal-Mart if you need more shellac. Just damp a paper towel with it and wipe into the finish, this will blend the Russian shellac with the Bullseye.

    This is of course, IF you are wanting to do that! It isn't neccesary though, the gun has battle scars of WAR!!!! :D
     
  4. SSGN_Doc

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    Looks pretty good.
     
  5. zaitsev44

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    Thanks! I have been contemplating touching it up, I just didn't know what to use. It used to have a beautiful red shellac from what I can tell on where they missed the shellac. It used to look somewhat like my '41 Izhevsk on the bottom:
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  6. jpattersonnh

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    Before you try and "smooth" the shellac, Try steaming the dings w/ a damp cloth and iron. I never touched my '42 Pu. The forestock shows the wear from the clothe wrap and moisture, not to mention what it was rested on.
     
  7. kfox75

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    Z44, I say keep it the way it is. Every ding, scratch, and spot of missing shellac are badges of honor that say, "been there, done that." Leave it as is, and use it as a go to beater rifle. one of my M44s rides along on fishing trips in bear country. It gets stuck in the ground by it's bayonet on the river bank JIC.

    Enjoy it for what it is.
     
  8. jpattersonnh

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    And when you land "jaws" the evil pike, you are ready!!;)
    BTW, the bayonet cooks a mean hot dog. Firing a cartridge of coarse.
     
  9. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I can't say I have ever seen Jaws, the evil pike where I used to fish in NY. I have however, had to help the wife land 5 foot plus channel Cats out of Cataragus Creek while I was still in NY. :eek:

    At moments like that, it's a toss up as to whether to shoot or stab them....... :D
     
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    See, NY boys are really frugal, and know how to make something work. If you ever want to get together to hunt the eastern part of NY, tell me. I'll get a license and go back.
     
  11. Chainfire

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    It looks like a very nice M-44 for a very reasonable price. The finish looks correct to me. Think long and hard before you mess with it, if you do, you can't undo your work.

    I don't think that Molot does anything to the rifles except wave a magic wand over them to convert them from a bad military rifle to a good sporting rifle, then add their logo.

    I have a soft spot for the M-44.....also the M-38, the T-53, the 91/59........;)
     
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  12. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    LOL. I used to go up to the Daks every couple of years for the early bow season. pretty country out that way. You never know, we may take you up on that offer some day. Especialy if the repeal the Unsafe Act.My guns ain't welcome, I ain't welcome. that's my take on it.
     
  13. zaitsev44

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    I'm gonna leave her as is for what she is, a great, genuine Soviet weapon of war. I've heard many different rumors and opinions on Molot and what they do.
     
  14. Capybara

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    I think they all had the toe splice, that was the Soviet way of conserving wood blanks. I have M44s that look worse and better, I would leave it as is, a shootable piece of history. Clean it, shoot it, enjoy it.
     
  15. Mercator

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    Chances are Molot is a Kalashnikov brand. As such it may no longer be imported. (Needs verification)

    Comrade Zaitsev: The M44 was built for guard duty, which included the massive GULAG prison camp network. It was not a battle rifle. Most Russian M44's never saw combat, but many have likely been issued to internal security... As you were :)
     
  16. Chainfire

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    In '44 the Soviets still had a lot of fighting to do. The rifle was developed for close quarter work as opposed to the 91/30 which was more suited for trench to trench warfare. Many '44 M-44s did indeed do battle. The Soviets did not build 7 million between '44 and '45 for their prison guards.

    These guys are the most reliable English source of information on the M-44. Take their word for it:

    http://www.mosinnagant.net/ussr/russian-m44-carbine.asp
     
  17. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Dang Merc, you just drove the price up 50%........
     
  18. therewolf

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    IMHO, not a horrid M44 for the price, given it is Russian,

    and dated during the war. If all the serials match, maybe you

    should leave it all original. The secret's getting out, and the

    prices are rising on these guns. I've seen non-matching M44s

    and T-53s in deplorable shape, by comparison to yours, being

    sold for more.

    I personally have two M44s. One, a Russian, I left all original,

    for collector purposes. The other, a Polish model in good shape,

    I've refinished and done minor mods to, which I use for a truck

    gun and boar hunting. They are excellent beaters.
     
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    It's all matching, and all the fonts match with no EP or line outs. I'm gonna keep it original, thank you all for the great information! And I got mine at a great time, these Molot guns are now banned from importation. Wideners is the only place that I've seen that has them for a decent price.