Miss California stands up for her beliefs

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  1. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Miss California sparks outrage over gay marriage remarks | csmonitor.com



    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1XScBKlv2E]YouTube - Miss California's Miss USA 2009 Question from Perez Hilton[/ame]


    Woohooh!!! You're right Miss C!!


    ...and here's what she gets for it.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzR7oHvGKA8&feature=related]YouTube - Perez Hilton on why Miss California lost in Miss USA 2009[/ame]

    Look dirtbag. You can NOT impose your views on everyone. Despite what you believe, other believe different,face it. You want to glorify the four states, what about the other 46 who haven't?

    I will stand up for the family and for what marriage is supposed to be. :mad:
     
  2. matt g

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    Why stop with the gays? Why not ban Jewish marriage, or marriage between minorities? While we're at it, we should ban mixed marriage as well.

    Yup, nothing but straight, white, Christian people should be married, just like god intended it.
     
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  3. Gojubrian

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    Being how you are libertarian, we are not going to agree on many things, but that's NOT the issue here.

    I really don't want to debate on beliefs here. I want to debate on a person's right to express their beliefs without backlash and prejudice.

    She lost the debate because hilton didn't agree with her, so what???

    Don't force your beliefs on me and I won't force mine on you!! Isn't that what the libetarians are all about?? :rolleyes:
     
  4. matt g

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    By posting this thread, and quoting scriptures, you're "forcing your opinions" on me the same way I'm doing it to you.
     
  5. Gojubrian

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    The scipture is not quoted anyway, it just references where you can find it. It's just part of my signature.

    This is the scripture:
    and has nothing to do with this thread.

    Nothing is being forced on you. Perez's blatant misuse of 'perceived' power was severaly abused during the pagent.

    Where is his "tolerence." ??
     
  6. janikphoto

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    You mind as well just close this thread and call it a day. People won't ever come to a middle ground on this one. Heck, my wife and I have different views on this topic and can't agree. If I get to sleep with her and we STILL can't get it worked out, you ugly guys don't have a chance of converting me...

    Just let the thread die and let's go talk about something better. ;)
     
  7. Jesse17

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    God created all the races, including Jewish, and so called minorities. Moses married a woman from another people, so did Samson.

    God never spoke against this. He did speak against homosexual marriage!
     
  8. Benning Boy

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    He asked a question. She answered it honestly. He was unhappy with her answer.

    She didn't sell out her beliefs for a pageant. To me, she was put on the spot and handled it as diplomatically as possible.

    I see alot of undercover people who say one thing in certain company, and something else in different company.

    I choose to let people know where I stand from jumpstreet. You might not like it, but you can't say I was dishonest.
     
  9. Gojubrian

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    Yes, that's exactly the point. She stood up for what she believed in...and it cost her the pagent.

    No different than being fired because you are for the 2nd ammendment imo!!

    Someone disagrees with you, so they abuse their power to punish you.

    It ain't right!! :D
     
  10. bkt

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    Words have meaning. Marriage, using its proper definition, is a religious event; it is a sacrament -- a commitment -- before God, friends, family and a member of the clergy. Virtually all religions recognize marriage as existing only between a man and a woman. Because marriage is a religious entity, the government should have no hand or say in it at all, whether for heterosexual or homosexual couples.

    Civil unions protect couples legally in a number of ways, and because this is a civil entity the government SHOULD be involved. It is unreasonable to deny a couple a civil union, and all the protection under the law it affords, to a couple regardless of the genders of the people involved.

    Why is this an issue? Again, words have meaning. When we seek to legalize or ban gay marriage, we potentially pit the full force of the law against religious doctrine. If gay "marriage" is legalized yet churches refuse to conduct ceremonies for gay couples because it goes against the tenets of the religion, has the door been opened to sue the church?

    That rubs the First Amendment the wrong way.

    What Hilton did was wrong. He punished someone for her beliefs, and this is exactly the sort of thing that could come back to haunt him.
     
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  11. Mark F

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    Here is my "OPINION": I don't give a sh!t... someone can marry a sheep for all I care. I'm not "forcing this opinion" on anyone because... well... if you don't dump in my Post Toasties, I won't piss on your parade...
     
  12. mpd8488

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    Very well put.

    If more people would be willing to separate their personal, private religious views from public politics this nation would do a much better job of addressing issues that are actually important.
     
  13. SGT-MILLER

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    Nobody forced you to read the thread, tough guy. You did that on your own. :D
     
  14. Benning Boy

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    I think BKT nails it perfectly.

    I also think that groups who percieve some wrong done to them have a tendency to go overboard to call out whatever icon or archetype they feel symbolizes their "opressors", and they're often wrong.

    I don't attend a church as a self professed Satanist, and demand all the rights and priveleges afforded members of that church. I either conform to their rules, or find a church that doesn't have a problem with me and my bucket of goat's blood.

    The Gay Movement, rather than be content with the rights they already have, wants to go overboard and demand that you not only accept them, but embrace them. And if you don't, there's something wrong with you.

    You want a civil union, fine. Am I duty bound to approve? No. Can I inflict my beliefs on you? Again, no. Would some devout religious people object to the word "marriage"? Probably.
     
  15. Jo da Plumbr

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    Everyone is focused on the answer; I’m more upset by the question. This is a beauty pageant, why are they putting their political agenda in the middle of it.

    I bet of all the contestants they thought they would get the gay support from Ms. California. Wrong!!! We’ve voted twice now against having gay marriage forced on us, but still the leftist media won’t let it go.
     
  16. Dillinger

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    I want to know why Perez Hilton is still breathing MY AIR?!?

    Hasn't his 15 minutes been up for, oh I don't know, a DECADE by now??????

    Who, EXACTLY, is he relevant too in the grand scheme???

    JD
     
  17. Benning Boy

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    I'll have to goole Mr. Hilton, as I've no idea who he is.

    Judging from what I've seen, I surmise he's an abrasive little s#!t with no grasp that a beauty pageant is not a pre qualifier for an international diplomatic post, nor is it a forum to show us how ferociously fabulous he is.

    It's a time honored T&A show for straight men to think to themselves "I'd hit that", and for gay men to think to themselves "Ooohh, I just wanna scratch her eyes out".

    I'm not a Christian. I respect their beliefs, but I'll add this. If they are correct about the return of their Savior, I think when he gets here, he's gonna be more than a little upset with the way things have turned out.
     
  18. user4

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    Again, this is more evidence that BKT is the wisest motherf*cker here. +8 sideways, broseph
     
  19. matt g

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    It's my job as a moderator to read these threads. It's my duty as a human being and American citizen to speak out against biggotry and tyranny when it rears it's ugly head, especially when it happens under the guise of religion.

    Jesus loved all unconditionally. Not once did he speak out against homosexuality, not once is it decried in the New Testament. The books of the Old Testament are nothing more than fables stolen from the Jewish faith.

    Most of you are Christians. The name alone would suggest that you'd follow the teachings of Christ, rather than those of the Jews.

    Christ taught things like "Turn the other cheek," "Resist not evil," "The meek shall inherit the earth," and "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

    These are the true teachings of Christ. They're also the things that helped lead to his death at the hands of the Jews.

    Are you folks Christian, because you follow the teachings of Christ, or are you something else, that relies on the teachings of the Bible that has been bastardized and altered over the years to suit the needs of whomever is in power at the time?
     
  20. matt g

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    If the word marriage is the problem, then we should do away with it in all but a religious context. You and your life partner can celebrate your civil union anywhere you want. Your marriage can only be celebrated in your church.

    Equal is equal. Fair is fair.
     
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