Misfire question

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by ArmyGuy, Sep 30, 2011.

  1. ArmyGuy

    ArmyGuy New Member

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    Have just started reloading and went to the range today with my loads for the first time. I had several rounds that didn't fire. The firing pin hit the primer just as it should and nothing happened.

    When I took them apart I found that the powder had clumped and had a yellow tint to it where it was touching the brass. Most of the other rounds (I had 50 total) paused briefly after the firing pin hit the primer before firing. It paused just long enough I could hear the click of the firing pin before it fired, but still less than 1 second. I have never had that happen before with any firearm.

    Does anyone have an idea on my problem? I'm hoping I can improve my reloading success rate.
     

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  2. g17frantz

    g17frantz New Member

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    There's several things I could suggest here. You could have gotten bad powder/bad primers. As far as the yellowish tint I'm not for sure, never seen that in any of my reloads. What kind of powder are you using and primers? I would also suggest switch where you store your supplies. I use cci primers and vihtavuori powder primarily. I've had extremely good results out of that combo.
     

  3. ArmyGuy

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    I'm using Winchester 748 powder and CCI 200 primers. I went back to the store and asked some questions. They suggested I try Federal 210 primers and IMR 4895 for powder, which I bought. these are 30-06 rounds for my M1 Garand, if that helps any.
     
  4. g17frantz

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    I've only had one bad thing of powder out of all that I bought and that was the accurate powder. The Winchester powder I didn't love too much but its more my personal preference on that. The vihtavouri powder is one of my favorites for my handguns. I have had extremly good luck w/the federal primers as well. Before you change everything start w/the powder. If the problem still exists, maybe its the primers. Step by step on figuring out the problem is what you need to do, replace one thing at a time, but I would recommend highly reevaluating your storage location.
    Hope that helps.
     
  5. ArmyGuy

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    I do still have 200 of the CCI primers that I will use with the IMR 4895 powder as you suggested.

    As for my storage I live in an apartment in California and my powder is just sitting out in the container. Would you suggest something like a safe with a dehumidifier?
     
  6. hiwall

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    Sounds more like the primers were contaminated. If the primer was good then when the firing pin hit the primer would fire then at that point the powder would burn(or not). But there should have been no delay in the primer detonation if the primer was good. So I say you had bad primers for sure and maybe bad powder. Was all case lube cleaned from the cases? If case lube gets in the primer pocket it can contaminate the primer and maybe the powder. Double check your loading process and look for sources of possible contamination.
     
  7. ArmyGuy

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    I use Hornady one shot case lube that says it won't contaminate anything and should dry within a minute or two. As far as cleaning the lube out can I just use a paper towel or rag of some kind? Or is there a better method I should be using to ensure I don't contaminate the primers or powder?
     
  8. g17frantz

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    Not necessarily a dehumidifier but maybe store your powder in an ammo can with some silica decassant. That's what I do and seems to work fine. Or a tightly homemade sealed wood box with silica in it. Its at my dads right now or id send you a pic. Yea the hornady case lube should be fine, but do the powder thing and go from there. If not, try getting the federal primers
     
  9. robocop10mm

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    What are you using to clean the brass? How is the loaded amo stored? I have used this powder/primer combination w/o any problems. Your described problem is very unusual. I have been handloading for over 30 years and have never experienced that.
     
  10. ArmyGuy

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    To clean the brass I'm using a tumbler with corncob media. The loaded ammo is stored on my bench in the blue containers on the right in the picture. The primers were stored on top of the bench and the powder below. Everything is in my apartment.

    Everyone seems to think this is an unusual problem. Which is a good thing and a bad thing. Good, as it offers a good learning experience for everyone. Bad, as it's happening to me :(
     

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  11. Trez

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    Im new to reloading myself, but it sounds to me like you may of had some lube / oil in the case.. Ive never seen powder clump like that...
    Maybe try a primer in a empty case, to see if the primer is the problem.
    Make a couple of more rounds and make sure that the inside of the case is clean and dry.... Thats what I would suggest...
     
  12. robocop10mm

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    If you are using using the One-Shot case lube, are you lubing the cases while they sit in the loading blocks as pictured? If so, you may be getting some puddling in the bottom of the case. I prefer to resize/decap then clean again to make sure there is no lube in or on the case. If you proceed directly from resize to re prime, powder charge, seat bullet, then wipe down, that is probably the source of the problem.
     
  13. ArmyGuy

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    I have been lubing the cases in the blocks as pictured. I will now start cleaning the cases again before I prime, charge, and seat the bullets. If I'm getting contamination in there hopefully that is the reason so it can be fixed.
     
  14. hiwall

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    A couple of things. First your reloading bench is to organized and not messy enough. That is an easy fix. Your storage of components is fine. The powder clumping is not happening in the can but in the cartridge. It has to be getting contaminated during the loading process. Just before you load take a couple of the cases and a clean Kleenx and wipe the primer pocket and the inside of the case. It should be dry. I'm sorry but I think its you - somehow you are contaminating the case. Of coarse I could be wrong.
     
  15. ArmyGuy

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    More mess huh, check :) I can fully accept that I'm the problem, especially since I'm new to reloading. I just want to figure out what I can do different so I can work on preventing problems in the future. I will definitely work on making sure the cases are completely dry before I prime and charge them from now on.
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    This is why I still use a pad w/ lube!
     
  17. Rick1967

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    I second that the powder is getting contaminated. I have never seen powder clump like that. I have taken apart old surplus WWII ammo that had not been properly stored. The powder was still in its original state.
     
  18. ArmyGuy

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    Yeah, I got a pad with the kit I bought. I was just listening to the guy that sold me the kit, he said he used the spray lube.
     
  19. ArmyGuy

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    Here is another question that I'm curious about. If I screw up and have to remove a new primer, can it be reused? Or is it ruined by having to push it out like a used one.
     
  20. hiwall

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    "Here is another question that I'm curious about. If I screw up and have to remove a new primer, can it be reused? Or is it ruined by having to push it out like a used one. "

    Never reuse. Its only 2 or 3 cents