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Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Trez, Jul 15, 2012.
Belgian Mausers were chambered in 7.65x53.
I will have to get it out tomorrow and check that out. I see that they were originally chambered in 7.65x53. I wonder if my dad had it re barreled or ? I can't ask him as he passed away in 1982.
This is directed at Hiwall. I'm not trying to hijack this thread, just not familiar with the in and outs of the forum. I have two 7MM rem RB's a 1901 and a 1902. They changed the spec. for the 7 MM mauser in the 20's. Do you know what the original trim to length was. I understand that the current std. is shorter, and I don't want to buy more headspace problems. Again sorry to horn in on this thread.
1916 Guardia Civil. I ran across one at my LGS a few years ago for $100. I already know that someone will say that they were converted to 7.62X51mm in the 50s or 60s, but not all of them were. Mine is still the original 20 inch barrel in 7X57mm. Fun to shoot, and it is my primary deer rifle, even in full military trim.
I checked mine today.Stamped on the barrel FN 1962 7X57. I have seen three other FN mausers at the gun show here. All were military, partly sporterized and all in 7X57 caliber. I don't remember seeing one in 7.65X53. I have seen a few Spanish Mausers that were also chambered in 7X57. I read on ask.com that FN Herstal chambered rifles is several calibers.
Your would have been re-barreled if it is military or is a commercial FN. That is a good thing if it is a commercial as it should be a '98 receiver. Pics would tell the story.
The M95 Chilean Mauser is a nice one. The workmanship is excellent. If you can find one reasonably priced. The military Mauser collectors love them.
not too long ago, s.o.g. was selling czech vz24's in 7x57 caliber for $160. slightly shortened, but otherwise 98 mauser actions. good shooters.
I would avoid Spanish mausers. I’ve heard they have soft receivers and that they tend to have head space problems.
Tazz- this thread is from 2012.
Ugg.. Im a moron .... Now I want a Mexican Mauser...
Finding a Mexican 7mm Mauser is slim to none they were small ring Mauser size wise with 98 Mauser sized bolts. They were a sportizers dream receiver.
I have the cz24 in 7mm and the Brazilian 1908 in 7mm. Plus the Spanish, Chilean 7mm Mauser too hiding in the safe.
I did find a all matching wood and metal Chilean m95 long barrel 7mm Mauser but I’m not sure of the value. These were manufactured under the German contract.
I didnt notice that when reading through the posts, and thought that I must have been smoking dope when I said you could get a Mosin and a case of ammo for $300.00. That was then, this is now....I think.
Decades ago when surplus military goods was available,,, we had.
The mosins unissued were $59, the Russian Barnaul 203gr SP ammo was $4.50 a box of 20, plus a hunting license could be a cheap game/getter at the time. The Czech silver tipped 7.62x54r ammo was $85 for 880rds delivered to your door.
Decades ago there was a clearance of the Barnaul fmj 30-06 ammo for $2.00 a box of 20rds. boxer primed. Loaded new ammo.
The 7.62x39 fmj Barnaul was $59/1,000rds. They ran out of Barnaul, and gave me wolf ammo. Back then the wolf smelled like horse dung when we shot it, but it shot good.
Talk about long gone deals........I witnessed when no surplus ammo was available to the flood of surplus ammo to when it dried up again. Life was great we shot cheap ammo and not have to reload the berdan primed brass.
When the availability of the surplus ammo and guns was good.
On another forum we talked about what would dryup first the surplus military guns or surplus ammo? We agreed the ammo would dryup first soon after the surplus 8mm Mauser ammo started to dryup the rest is history.
I never in my wildest dreams would think the military surplus stuff would ever dryup in my lifetime. I think the import flood and cheap prices lasted for ten years if that,
I bought mine at Montgomery Wards for $60.00...must have been 1972 , back then Monkey Wards sold guns, military surplus and their own house brand. Western Field guns and ammo. We bought a lot of hunting stuff from them.
In 1965 I bought Spanish mod43 in 7mm Mauser for $35.00 ,after using it as a brush gun I had it rebarreled in 7mm Ackley imp.Sweet light accurate deer rifle.In the 70's I bought Mexican small ring for $10. Also had it chambered in 7mm Ackley imp.Truly Short light accurate rifle.Barrells are
Douglas Premiums.Also stocked them with Ramline stocks.The Mexican small ring cannot be rechambered with high pressure calibers as the .308 as it will bend the Action. Vasa1628
The 7x57 , being rimless , headspaces off the shoulder.
Trimming the neck will not increase headspace. It simply decreases neck length.
My oldest manual shows a overall case length of 2.235.
My newest manual also indicates 2.235 .
The load data , case length and other case dimensions given were in the 1967 Hornady Handbook #1 manual and it states they were suitable for use in 1893 and 1895 Mauser rifles in 7x57 .
2.235" is what I have used in my 95 Mauser with no problems.
I ended up with a Spanish 1916 chambered in 7.62x51.
Is there any factory ammo out there that a fella can use in one?
I had side by side comparrision of the bolt assy from a 7.65x53 1890 Argentine Mauser and the 7.62x51 Spanish 1916.
They appear to be almost identical cept for the squared bottom front of the 1916 Bolt, extractor and method of cocking.
Funny thing is the 1890 Mauser Bolt will fit right into the Spanish 1916 receiver and close.
Another is how the 7.65 Arg cartridge case though longer (greater case capacity) is milder in tremprament (think rimless .303 Brit).
Interesting photo comparison of the 7.65x53 mm (7.65 Argentine) and the more widely used 7x57mm Mauser shell casings.
Most of the difference in the 53mm and 57mm cases is in the longer 7x57mm case neck. The case capacity of these two rounds is virtually identical. They have essentially the same case capacity. The 7.65 shoots .311" bullets and the 7x57 shoots .284" bullets. Most 7.65 Argentine ammo is loaded light in deference to older, weaker mil surps in circulation.
I know that that old Argentine was around on this world more than 10 years before the Titanic set sail.
The quality of the steels and mainly their heat treating processes were pretty inconsistant compared to todays arms.
I think that people tend to forget that Mausers, especially the South American types, were made in Germany by Mauser or DWM. They weren't cobbled together by Chilean or Brazilian farmers, heat treating over a cooking fire. An 1891 Argentine rifle is a work of art comparable to the Swedish '96 and in my opinion, superior in quality and workmanship to any of the modern, mass-market rifles of today.
I own several milsurp 7MM rifles. The biggest problem is most of them were shot-out. I have a gorgeous Spanish 1893, but the projectiles tumble like acrobats. These rifles got a lot of use before being surplused.
The supply of military surplus firearms shrinks every day. It will be rare that any military surplus weapon, going forward, will be available for the public to buy, and when they are, the price of poker will go way up. Witness the 1911s coming to CMP.