Military move with ammo

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by fa35jsf, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. fa35jsf

    fa35jsf New Member

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    So I am getting to make my first move in the military and I elected to do a PPM move (use to be known as a DITY move) or in other words I am packing up all my stuff and moving it myself, and then the military pays me for my expenses.

    While going through the rules however, it says that I CANNOT move ammunition. It is on the prohibited items list. When I asked the counselor at the moving office she said it was because of the following reasons:
    1) The ammo could get too hot and explode in your car (BS, they haven't watched the SAAMI videos then)
    2) It is illegal to move ammo in your vehicle (I'm assuming across state lines?).
    However she said that if you had a concealed weapons permit (I do) then it isn't illegal to transport ammo in a vehicle, but still not allowed with the military.

    Has anyone ever heard of this crap and is there really any laws out there that prevent the transportation of ammo across state lines.

    Note: I am moving from a very free state to another free state, traveling only in free states to get to my destination. I will not be going anywhere close to one of the communist states.
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    MOVERS will not transport ammo. Their rules.

    I know of no LAWS that prohibit you transporting ordinary ammo that you own by surface transportation within the US.
     

  3. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    I'll watch over it for ya ;)
     
  4. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    The military also says it's illegal to have sexual relations in any position other than missionary.

    Point? Just move your crap. Throw the ammo in your car, truck, luggage, whatever, and keep your mouth shut.

    As to what C3 said, just don't let hired movers transport it. No biggie.

    In a pinch, you can even mail it to yourself at your new location.
     
  5. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Check with your new base about having the ammo in a vehicle when reporting.

    Usually, it's okay. But with the Navy bases in my area, it is a strict NO-NO.
    (The bases in my area are large training bases, and the navy does not believe that the trainees are mature enough to have arms or ammo on board unless escorted.)
     
  6. Overkill0084

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    Correction, you theoretically cannot get caught moving ammunition. If UPS can ship it, why can't you? It's not even proper hazmat.

    Local moves, DITY is fine. Long distance? There's a reason that moving companies stay in business. YMMV. Everyone I've known (who wasn't completely broke all the time,) who did a DITY, always wound up thinking it was more trouble than it was worth.
    Unless you have a huge EOTWAWKI ammo stockpile (i.e. it requires a truck of it's own), just invoke the don't ask, don't tell policy.
    If you don't mind me asking...where you headed?
     
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  7. chuckusaret

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    I moved many times, within CONUS while in the military, and shipped my ammo with my household items. It was packed in ammo cans and was marked on the inventory as X number of ammo and never a problem. Final destination was never to a military post.
     
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  8. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    My last move, the movers would not move any ammo, but
    I was not prohibited from moving it myself. Moved it diagonally from one corner of the country to another.
     
  9. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You can ship it UPS just like any other package. They require that you mark all six sides of your box ORM-D Small Arms Ammunition You will not be able to take it to a UPS store, but if you take it to the local distribution center, it is a no-hassle process. At my UPS distribution center, they don't even raise an eyebrow.
     
  10. Yunus

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    The military may not reimburse associated costs but I would be surprised if they actually claim its illegal on official documentation.

    What the TMO office tells you and what the CFR or military regulation states are often different.
     
  11. fa35jsf

    fa35jsf New Member

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    Okay. Here's the deal, it official is on the prohibited items list. So I am moving my stuff, myself, in a uhual and my truck. However, by what I have in writing, I cannot put any ammo in the uhual or truck.

    The lady at the office said that if I due and I were to get into an accident or the trailer/truck caught fire, and they came out to investigate and found ammo, then they could cancel any claims I have and possibly fine me. Now the chances of this actually happening are slim.

    When I asked the lady what I should do with my ammo she told me to sell it and buy new when I get down there (fat chance of that happening) or go shoot it (in which case I will certainly have to replace the recoil spring on my 45 about two or three times before I shoot it all).
     
  12. trip286

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    Screw that. Put it in your truck. If Uhaul doesn't have a rule against it, put it in THEIR truck. Your own auto insurance should cover you in case of an accident (they can't force your insurance to drop coverage) unless they have some whack ass rules against it too, and you'd only be out for the cost of the move. They also can't deny you medical coverage whole active duty, to my knowledge. I've known people who did some ludicrously idiotic things, against direct orders, and went to med call just like any other day. Now...I enlisted around 11 years ago, so things may have changed.
     
  13. trip286

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    Are you able to transport household cleaning supplies? How about powdered pool chemicals? That's a REAL danger there... Let that stuff spill onto some leaked oil or fuel, you can't put that damn fire out.
     
  14. Yunus

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    So it's a liability issue. When I moved from Alaska back to the lower 48 I was not allowed to ship my 20# co2 tank because I didn't have a purge tag on it. I demonstrated that it was empty by opening the valve but it didn't matter, the shipping company refused to touch it without a valid signed purge tag.

    I would ship it separate for 2 reasons. First is in case something insanely stupid happens like you get rear ended you don't want the military and possibly the truck rental company to claim you were doing something unauthorized and hold you liable. Second, that stuff is heavy :)

    I've not heard of any law restricting the transportation of your own ammunition. Proper tagging or signage may be required.
     
  15. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    SHIPPING of ammunition:

    Please notice I did NOT say MAILING- as it IS ILLEGAL to MAIL ammo in the US Mail.

    You MAY ship up to 66 lbs of ordinary small arms ammo by UPS or FedEx without triggering HAZMAT limitations and surcharges. By that I mean no tracer, incendiary, HE or Plutonium Nitrate Dinosaur Killers.

    Package securely, or when the UPS Gorilla throws the package around, it will break open, and you will have ammo rolling around screeching "Steal Me!". Ship by UPS GROUND (do not ship ammo by air)

    At one time, there was a sticker that went on the outside that said ORM-D and Cartridges Small Arms.
    ammo label old.jpg


    It is being replaced by a new sticker.Known as Limited Quantities. Does not require additional marking. You can use either until 31 Dec 2013, after which the Limited Quantities label must be used.
    ammo label new.jpg

    You WILL need to take it to a UPS Hub- and not one of the UPS stores. You can call and schedule a pickup.
     
  16. fa35jsf

    fa35jsf New Member

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    Trip, also on the prohibited list is aerosols or anything pressurized. Or in other words, no hairspray etc.
     
  17. trip286

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    What about household bleach? I'm just curious. Wanna have some fun? Put some in a cup, then pour a little oil on it. Or gas. The two biggest things that would leak in an accident. Or any other petroleum product for that matter.

    Not trying to get to you, I just think their regs are ****, and I would blatantly ignore them. As I said, YOUR auto insurance should be covering your vehicle, and the rental truck if your have that rider in your policy. And your property/renters/homeowners should cover possessions if that rider isn't in your auto insurance too.

    They (the military) shouldn't be able to do a damn thing, except deny paying the actual moving costs, and leave you on your own.


    I would, and DID, do my move the same way as any other move. Pack my junk and go. Be damned if anyone would tell me what I could and couldn't move with, so long as it was legal to own to begin with. I did very discreetly turn in the hand grenades I found while packing.
     
  18. tri70

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    I thought this was part of the don't ask, don't tell policy?
     
  19. tri70

    tri70 New Member

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    Can you rent a car and move ammo first, then come back for the rest?
     
  20. fa35jsf

    fa35jsf New Member

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    I think you are completely right trip and I agree with you. I was already planning on moving my ammo regardless. With this post I just wanted confirmation of how stupid this lady was and make sure there was no law about moving the ammo.

    Just as a side note, the lady made a comment about how it wasn't worth it to sneak ammo into the move because it is just so cheap that I could easily and cheaply buy more later. Ha! She doesn't shoot.

    For whoever asked, I'm going to the panhandle of Florida.

    My new wife kind of bought into the woman's propaganda and was like "you don't need to take any ammo. Just let our family bring it to us when they come visit."
    Sorry hunny but it is going with me.
    Well then just take a little, not a lot.

    Big mistake on her part. In my book, all the ammo I own only amounts to a "little bit"! :)