Military enlistment help?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by hallelujah99, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    I have a GED and its hard for me to go active in any military branch. Is there a way I can find out if there are open GED slots!? My recruiter doesn't know and is telling me to join reserves and I can go active after 6 months. However I've heard that is a bad way to go if u want to go active
     
  2. 70cuda383

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    this may sting....


    with the economy being the way it's been the last several years, there have been people lined up out the door for a "job" in the military. even the lowest rank, lowest paid enlisted member has a pretty good job, free medical, retirement pension plan, 30 days of vacation a year, all from day 1.

    on top of that, the military is drawing down in size and needs people to get out due to budget cuts.

    what that means, is the military gets to be SUPER selective on who they let in. And the loud message that you send by having a GED over a HS Diploma, is that "I'm a quitter, and didn't finish high school the first time I tried" now they have a choice... pick the kid who was able to finish high school the first time, or the one who had to go back as an adult to get his equivalent. no shot at you, but statistically, which person is more likely to not quit/give up...the one who finished high school on time, or the one who didn't?


    Now, I don't know you from Adam, I don't know your personal story, I don't know why you didn't finish high school on time and had to go back to get a GED, so please don't take anything I've said personally. Just remember, the military does not know you from Adam either, and in times like this, they can be, they HAVE to be more selective on who they let in, and when they don't know you from the next guy in line, they have to come up with quantifiable data points to distinguish the difference between person A and person B. one of those data points is education. college degree? some college? high school diploma? or GED?

    Knowing what I do about the AF, I'd consider beginning your college career now, get some college credits to your name, and show that you're working towards your bachelors degree. that may open up some opportunities for you.
     

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Dont know you you or your situation but here is some general advice.

    My advice get in shape. Make sure your fit enough to run 2+ miles in less than 9minutes a mile. Be able to do lots of pushup and situp in 2 min. Easy free things to do to help you out.

    Get a job any job any pay. If someone is hiring take the work. The military is not likely to take in someone that is outof shape and sucking off the taxpayer dollar if all you got is a ged.

    If you have had trouble with the law and been hitting the booze and chemical party favors your prolly s.o.l. the military only takes those folks when they have body bags to fill on the front lines. Excess of enemy bullets flying around and not enough recruits to catch em. Despite the liberal claims military recruits are typically the brightest and most dedicated folks.

    If you want in your going to have to demonstrate your dedication and physical fitness is an easy area to work on as is holding down a job.
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Find your local community college. Get signed up for some classes ASAP. Yeah, you can do it part time while working. Look for classes in a field related to what you want to DO in the military.

    THEN you go talk to the recruiter as a college grad, and not a GED holder.

    PS- Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, the Army did not require any education. I enlisted without a diploma. Got a GED while in basic tng. Hhave since picked up a few college degrees. Word of advice from someone that has been there-
    1. That you DID go get your GED, good. BUT-
    2. Right now, it is a buyer's market for the recruiters. They have more folks trying to get in than they have slots. Yes, they will cherrypick over the pool of bodies. Get some additional education, and RAISE yourself higher in that pool.

    PS- +1000 on what Jon said. He nailed that.
     
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  5. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    Yes I understand completely I am actually in college right now and my second year and I jus don't think college is for me. So I decided to talk to them but I didn't it remember it be so hard to join like a year and a half ago.
     
  6. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    What I don't understand is my recruiter said I could join the reserves but not go active? We not until a GED slot is opened
     
  7. 70cuda383

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    it's complicated.

    easiest way I know to simplify it, is to say that there are different pools of money for different parts of the military. money used for gas and bullets cannot be used for hiring new recruits. the reserves have their own budget that is separate than the active duty budget. they have different numbers of "slots" available.

    The fact that you can probably get into the reserves but not active duty is a sign of the budgetary times we are in. Again, speaking from what I know, the AF is looking to move to a reserve based force. they want the reserves to take up everything except those few select missions that only an active duty force can do. special operations, nuclear security/surety, etc.

    Its much easier and cheaper to train a part time force that you activate on deployments only as needed, than it is to have a giant active duty force with full time personnel getting paid full time and full benefits while sitting around at "home"
     
  8. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    The military is so complicated. The recruiter said about six months ago with my status they would've let me in.
     
  9. trip286

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    Take the reserve job, get help with college, get a degree, then go active. Keep in mind what everyone else said. Don't expect to make much, and don't expect to rank up quick. But you'll have a place to stay, and hot food to eat (most times).
     
  10. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    I jus wonder if it is jus my best bet to wait until there is a active slot for GED or give up because the situation on our country at the moment.
     
  11. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    I jus always wanted to go active. I felt like I missed out my opportunity because I was ignorant in the past. But for now I think I'm jus gonna wait for a slot and keep studying so I can make the highest score I can make on the asvab. I appreciate the opinions I gotten Ty .
     
  12. Shade

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    Hall, don't know why you have that attitude. Your comments and posts
    just reek of, i don't give a 'poop' and laziness. Recruiters have alot of
    powerand influence on who gets a spot and who does not. Were you
    well groomed? GED's are looked down on and for good reason, they
    show a lack of commmitment.

    How did you dress when you went to the recruiter's office. T-shirt jeans?
    did you shave that day? How did you present yourself, professional and
    squared away?

    My guess is you did not and your recruiter is thinking, I do not want this
    ****bag in my Army, Navy, etc...

    BTW, what was your ASVAB score?

    Oh and if my questions and comments hurt your feelings or offend you
    then you might want to rethink the Military as an option. Some of my
    former shipmates would be wondering why i was being so very nice to
    you; because I was not to them.

    Amen.
     
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  13. Shade

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    Oh and if you were wondering who I am...

    6 years in the USN active.
    Honorable Discharge in '91 as an E-5 (DC2)
    Desert Storm Veteran.
    Served aboard the USS Harry W. Hill (DD-986)

    Also got my BS in Chemistry during that same
    time frame.
     
  14. hallelujah99

    hallelujah99 New Member

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    All I was saying not trying to offend anybody was should I wait for a slot or should I go reserve and then try to go active? I don't need people getting pissed. I actually wore jeans and a white tshirt and answer every question with yes sir or no sir.
     
  15. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Enlist in the reserve.
     
  16. 70cuda383

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    myself:

    Service Academy graduate, commissioned in 04 with a standard 4-year Bachelors degree

    3 1/2 years active duty, at which point due to budget cuts I was told that the last 2 years of my service contract were waived and I could walk away a civilian, free and clear. (my "college" was free, but incurred a 5-year commitment)

    I said "I'm not done serving!!" fought tooth and nail for a slot as a part time reservist, just so I could continue to serve...my competition? all my peers who were also told their services were no longer needed that still wanted to serve. Not everyone was able to find a slot.

    In all, I've given 14 years of my life to military service.

    as a commander in the reserves, I had people coming in as E-1s with 4 year bachelor degrees.

    and to echo what Shade said... your comments are dripping with lackadaisical, non-committal, and lase-faire attitude.

    The military is not for you.
     
  17. JonM

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    Ill second this. If you can get into the reserves its easier to go active from there if you apply yourself.
     
  18. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    You say its hard for you to go active in any military branch & then you say your recruiter doesn't know and is telling you to join the reserves, are you talking to just one recruiter ? Because each branch of the Military has there own recruiter, I talked with both a Navy & Army recruiter before I joined the Army active duty, & with just a GED, I came out 3 years later an E4, 2-MOS`s, a tour over seas, on no more than you have, even less I did not have any collage credits. So if you are talking to just one recruiter, you are not covering all your bases & it don`t sound like you are trying very hard..............
     
  19. fa35jsf

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    Coming from someone who is three months from my commission into the Navy, I have to tell you that right now is a hard time to try to get a job in the military. 70cuba summed it up best. Stay in college even if you think its not for you because you are almost half way there. When you finish college you can try for a program that will allow you to be an officer instead of enlisted. Being an officer has its benefits which includes more pay, just as anybody who has been in the services before.

    One last piece of advice, only trust those recruiters as far as you can throw them. I know there are probably some good ones out there but I have experienced quite a few bad ones. About a dozen of my high school friends fell for their promises and most of that didn't come true.

    If you do decide on the military what you must first learn is that almost everyone will have a unique experience in that there is not a set plan for what you might be doing and where you will train and be stationed. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow.

    Anyways, if you do join, thank you for that service you will be providing to our great nation and I hope to see you in the fleet someday.
     
  20. chuckusaret

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    I went active duty thru the reserve just prior to my 16th birthday and retired before my 40th birthday with 24 years of service. When there is a will there is a way and I would check the possibilities of going active thru the reserves.