Mid-Length Handguards/Quad Rails

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by diggsbakes, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    I was hoping some of ya'll could steer me towards a good, reasonably priced set of Mid-Length (9 inch) Quad-rail hand-guards.

    It seems most everything is either "carbine" or "rifle" length. The only sets I'm finding at Midway and the like are Yankee Hill or Midwest Industries. I know they are good makers, but they are pricey and I'm maxing out the funds for this gun as it is.

    Any economical suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Quentin

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    Well the most economical suggestion is - do you really need rails? Standard handguards do the job very well and you still can mount a light, etc. if you want. Many people who get rails don't really need them.

    I'd give your existing handguards a second chance, for a few months, and over that time save up money for something of quality if you find that you actually do need rails.

    I've had my middy about a year now and the desire for rails which was high at first ebbs over time. Now I'm glad I stayed with the original handguards. The money for rails went toward ammo instead.
     

  3. mjkeat

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    Troy Extreme is a good rail for a decent price.
     
  4. diggsbakes

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    I'd like to stay under $100, but I know that's not always possible. Preferably free float, but not imperative for this gun.
     
  5. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    Yes I need them or I wouldn't be looking.

    This is a new build so there are no existing hand-guards.

    Thanks for the links Slo! ! !

    Anyone else got a lead?
     
  6. moshpit

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    UTG rails at cheaperthendirt are pretty much as cheap as it gets, but I'd HONESTLY think twice before using them. Simple bolt on rails onto the standard hanguards would cost a LOT less, maybe 20 bucks, and will give about the same life expectancy and abuse tolerances that the UTG rail system will without the downsides the UTG rails brings.

    I only say this because I wasted 60 bucks on the extended UTG system and ended up paying 180 (on sale, would have been more like 340 bucks for the one I choose) for a DD system because of issues I encountered. Weight was only tolerable, but was not good at all, very heavy on the front end. Accuracy was badly affected by these rails as well, UTG doesn't free float and even worse, can cause barrel torquing, where even the smallest pressure against it can totally obliterate any zero you had.
     
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  7. mjkeat

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    I have no experience w/ UTG but see the brand at all the paintball and airsoft stores so I stayed away.
     
  8. moshpit

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    This is why I offered an option I thought he may not have considered as yet. Bolt on rails. I also figured a little first hand experience with what his choice could lead him to might also help.

    Edit: I promise I'm not a brand snob, but I did feel burned after everything was said and done by the UTG rails. Moving them over to an airsoft rifle lessened the burn significantly. I've also seen some pretty sweet setups with bolt-on rails for both lights and grips, which is the whole reason for rails to begin with. If one is going for the bottom of the barrel anyway, it pays to look at alternative options to accomplish the same goal.

    Edit #2: Something like this for example: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR054-7.html for 10 bucks for a pair of 7" rails before shipping. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR600-7.html 12 bucks for an 11.22" rail section. While this option limits immediate mounting to the 6 and 12 o'clock, you can offset using appropriate angled mounts.
     
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  9. mjkeat

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    I dont buy because of name or the latest craze. I purchased my LWRC before I had ever logged onto a forum and none of my friends own or even like guns. I did my research and came to the conclusion that the LWRC brand was GTG and worth every penny. My only mistake was not spending a little more for the next model up. That cost me twice if not 3 times what it originally would have cost. My most recent purchase I have done some work myself in order to get what I want w/o spending any money at all. Using parts I had lying around I added an AFG to an original style handguard. Not exactly what the guys over at M4carbine would recommend but whatever. It turned out nice and is very light. In that case I bought what I could afford, nothing. But in the case of Black Betty and the LWRC I saved and scrimped my way towards what I really wanted and was proud of. Usually when something has a following its for a good reason. For instance Magpul. THey know what they are doing and make great functional products that aid in accuracy and ease of use. My 13" Troy Extreme rails I found cheap around $150 on sale. Bought one then another because they work great for me and are built w/i spec, light as all get out and thin enough to wrap my hand around in order to get that nice solid forward grip. Why spend $800 on something marginal when you can spend $1000 on something thatll do anything and last forever? Kinda like off brand ketchup. It may cost a few cents less but it sure tastes funny.
     
  10. Quentin

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    Yeah this is tough for all of us. I tend to agree with Mosh because usually when I go cheap I regret it a few months down the road. Anyway, lots of solutions here and they run the gammit from buying cheap handguards to cheap UTG rails to going a little higher for something of better quality and lower weight. Now Diggs can make his choice because what we think doesn't really matter. (But let us know how it goes!)

    I would say be careful of putting a VFG on cheap rails, I've heard of them twisting too much and causing the gas tube to bend too much until the carrier key slams into it causing all kinds of grief. You definitely don't want much flex there.
     
  11. moshpit

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    Well said, Quentin.
     
  12. mjkeat

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    One thing that just dawned on me is buying used. Many guys buy high quality parts to find out they dont fit their needs and sell them for a great price. I did this w/ a Noveske 7.5" upper. Sold it brand new never fired for almost $400 less then I paid 3 weeks prior. Check out the Equipment Exchange on some of the bigger AR sites. THose guys are always selling slightly used stuff from top shelf companies.
     
  13. diggsbakes

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    I appreciate all the feedback guys!

    Let me be a little more clear about what I meant by "economical": Best product for the price. Not just cheap. I think a couple of you are with me on that. ;)

    It's not that I can't buy a top of the line set, but I'd really feel great about this build if it stayed under the $1000 mark as I feel it is a quality firearm. (more to come on that :))

    If I gotta go a bit over, oh well.

    All suggestions and feedback is much appreciated. Now I just need to get on it so I can shoot the damn thing!
     
  14. diggsbakes

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    Upper??? While that is a great price on an upper, this thread was created for suggestions on mid-length hand-guards/rails.

    I have found that options are scarce and I'd HATE to go with a "run-of-the-mill" 2 piece tapered version, but that's all I'm finding (for mid-length), other than the Yankee Hill Free-Float.

    When are the Magpul MOE mid-length hand-guards going to be available??? Everything says "Summer 2010"??? Don't know 'bout ya'll, but it's hot enough here to be considered summer. :confused:

    Any other sources for hand-guards (not uppers:rolleyes:) other than the standard round A2 type?

    It's looking like Yankee Hill is the only option. . .
     
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  16. mjkeat

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    Looks like I posted that in the wrong thread.
     
  17. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    I keep looking and have concluded that there are only a few mid-length options available.

    1. Really expensive free float rails. Nice, but all over $200

    2. The Yankee Hill set that Slo suggested. Probably the most reasonably pricede, quality rails.

    3. Stuff from DPMS, Rock River and Calvary.

    4. And then the UTG. . . ARE THEY REALLY damaging to the firearm? The reviews don't seem all that negative.

    I wish I could come up on a set of those Magpuls. I guess I'm willing to settle for basic handguards as long as I could mount a couple rails to 'em. . .
     
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  18. mjkeat

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    Have you looked into any of the Troy brand hand guards? They are well under $200 and hold up very well. The Troys come in 7"-13" choice of top and bottom rail or quad rail.
     
  19. diggsbakes

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    Yes I have looked at Troy products. They look about the same as any of the other rail systems to me, but I have heard they are of high quality.

    After a lot of indecisiveness, I went in the direction of standard mid-length hand guards with 2 axillary rails in order to mount my angled fore-grip and possibly a light.

    Went with the Calvary C8, 2 6" Magpul picatinny rails and 2 sets of the Magpul XTM modular rail panels. I think that will allow me to shoot comfortably with in the realm of ergonomics that I had envisioned AND keep the rifle reasonably balanced.

    All that with shipping for just over $50 from DSG Arms! :) They were the only spot I could find all the pieces to the puzzle at. Hell, even Midway didn't have a mid-length handguard that I could use mounts with.

    Note: Midway has the NEW Magpul MOE handguards (in all lengths) listed on their website. The Carbine lengths are available now, Rifle lengths available on 7/15/2010 and mid-length not until 9/15/2010.

    So I figure if the current set up doesn't cut it, I got the Magpuls coming soon for a trial. I may just swap out anyways. :)