michagan teen arrested for legal open carry

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by downsouth, Apr 25, 2012.

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  1. downsouth

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  2. mountainman13

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    This is an example of why I am opposed to open carry. It causes problems too often. I'm all for concealed.
     

  3. Ranger-6

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    I would go to bet that Combs would have been Ok up until the time he refused to produce his driver's license.
    Why provoke an officer who is trying to do his job?
     
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    It's legal, why is it causing a problem? The problem is from ignorant people and law enforcement. It's a problem because even people who believe in 2a, cower and are afraid to exercise their rights because then they have to hassle with the ignorant people. I'm sorry you think the 2nd amendment causes problems.
     
  5. mountainman13

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    No I don't think the second amendment causes problems. I think open carry combined with ignorant people and Leo causes problems. You can't possibly think that this is good press for gun rights advocates. This kind of thing simply fuels the anti-gun fire.
     
  6. Bear304inc

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    Your probably right, even though it legaly wasn't required. According to what I gather from the report, unless info was missing. As far as open carry, sure it draws unwanted attention NOW, but if we keep exercising our right then maybe we take the mystic and fear out of a lot of people when they see it enough, and pray that the officers around the country get a lil education on the specific laws. No offense to officers at all, just see to many times their not up to speed on gun laws.
     
  7. Longrange

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    Provoke an officer? You have no legal obligation to produce ID for LE if you are not suspect in some form of wrong doing. This guy was hassled because some panty waist liberal got a wrinkle in her skibbies and called the law. Open carry is legal in his state, he was confronted by LEO for doing something within his rights. This boils down to LEO not knowing the laws and not caring about civil rights, period. Exercise your rights or you will lose them.
     
  8. mountainman13

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    Did you see his charges? Because of how he chose to exercise his rights he may lose them. Supporting the second amendment and exercising your rights is great but you have to do it intelligently.
     
  9. c3shooter

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    Once again, none of us were there, and we have SOME of the information on this matter. IF the law requires that you be an adult to possess a firearm, and a person appears to be of an uncertain age, a LEO is within his rights to require the person to show that they are an adult.
     
  10. mountainman13

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    Yep as bear stated it is possible all of this could have been avoided by simply providing identification. Unlikely imo based on the level of charges but possibly.
     
  11. Ranger-6

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    I would hope to think if a person decided to openly carry a loaded rifle into town then that person should be prepared for an alert LEO interview, and cooperate to get the issue resolved.
     
  12. partdeux

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    This created quite a debate on the local MI forum(s). I know his attorney, and he's good.

    MI law is pretty clear, and including the right on refusal to hand over his papers. Terry stop is clearly in play here. Was the officer reasonably certain of a crime? I'd suggest he was not. You'd have to know the area, this is a very nice downtown area near one if the wealthiest communities in the US, certainly the wealthiest in MI.

    In the local forum, the debate has fallen on two sides, with no ground gained on either side. One side, PD and CC, the other side, attorney's and OC. It will be an interesting case to watch. I'm not convinced it wasn't pre planned set up. There have been cases supporting the young man's position.
     
  13. partdeux

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    Here is some good info to chew on to help fuel the debate :)
     
  14. Overkill0084

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    Show the nice policeman your papers or he'll ruin your life.

    So walking down the street with a legal weapon, you must have ID. But to vote in some places, asking for ID is a violation of rights? I'm confused.
     
  15. griffin81

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    Ok well I'm just curious do u guys think the officers were asking for his ID to see if he was 18 years of age. They said he looks young for his age. Just a thought.

    play the victim, be the victim
     
  16. primer1

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    One more hammer strike on the wedge separating people and sheeple, who is there becoming more of?
     
  17. Eddy_J

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    I applaud that kid for what he did. Like people have been saying, use your rights or lose them. If you can do it legally then why not? It's your right to do so. Sure his incident with the police officer was unfortunate and may or may not have been avoided, but if he was well within his rights then why is it becoming a case needing lawyers and such? 2A rights should be preserved as much as possible IMO
     
  18. Bear304inc

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    Possibly, but that in itself is a slippery slope. Remember when you just had to look 18 to buy cigarettes, now I think you have to "look " 28 or some bs. Its all subjective. If we don't flex back at some point we're the ones gonna be subjected. I applaude the young man, but personally. Sorry to say I couldn't afford the legal fees, or the headache. My family depending on me, that's where they get most of us...
     
  19. partdeux

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    that particular area is not going to tolerate wild wild west of people walking around with firearms... I think the age is just an excuse to send a message. Me thinks it will backfire in court.

    Bear, cigarettes are not listed in the bill of rights, firearm freedom is.
     
  20. Bear304inc

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    One, piss on the part of town. Affluent areas cannot pass their own laws.
    Two, the cigarettes example was to show how they could get around probable cause by saying they were just checking age.
    I do however see what your saying.
     
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