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Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by GrtWhytHype, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. GrtWhytHype

    GrtWhytHype New Member

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    You know it's hard for me sometimes. I consider myself patriotic but at times I despise the things I see this country do. I find it hard to not fall into that "This is 'Merica" viewpoint when talking with those closest(mostly anti-gun) to me about gun ownership. So my question to some of you great minds out there is how do you go about calming those fears that most non-gunners have?
     
  2. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Just keep reading posts here. You'll find a lot of really good thoughts and arguments to use at your discretion.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    many anti-gunners fall into the mode of thinking that others are responsible for their safety and security. most gun owners feel they are responsible for their own safety and security. i would rather depend on myself rather than someone else, in regards to my safety and well being.

    this is America! yes there are problems, and there is turmoil, but i still love this country for what it was, and what it can be again, with proper leadership. firearms are part of the great history of our country. they were part and parcel of fighting for our independence and the founding fathers knew they were, hence the 2nd admendment.

    for all it's problems, America is still a great nation, and we have freedoms and rights, that many are jealous of and wish they had.
     
  4. CrazedJava

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    When Texas first proposed concealed carry I was against it. I said it would increase violent crime and "we'd have blood running in the streets". I might have made reference to returning us to the days of the Wild West.

    None of those things happened.

    Use facts. Check crime statistics. Despite an increase in gun ownership, violent crime is down. The Big Mac will probably kill more people this year than guns.

    When everyone went nuts about AR-15's after the Aurora shooting, someone dug up a statistic that showed more people are beat to death with bare hands than are killed with any rifle of any kind.

    Do some research and be prepared. Honestly, the cold hard facts are what eventually turned me around. That's not always going to work, but you will NEVER win an emotional argument.
     
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  5. vincent

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    I feel the same way as you sometimes GWH, all you can do is learn to separate fact from fear, make sense, stay calm and maybe someone will get it...Here are a few sites I've found that are really good for that...

    http://hematite.com/dragon/gcviewpoint.html

    http://jpfo.org/

    http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml

    http://gunssavelives.net/

    http://www.a-human-right.com/http:/

    http://www.learnaboutguns.com/

    http://www.justfacts.com/index.asp?page=home

    http://constitutionus.com/ <----This one's important...also, one thing to keep in mind, you may never change some peoples' minds for this reason...
     

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  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Franz Fanon, author of "Wretched of the Earth". ;)
     
  7. RJMercer

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    Sometimes when arguing this subject the numbers themselves are less relevant than the way they are presented.
    My favorite way to present my side of the argument is to remind them that only 249,999,998 legally owned firearms in this country didn't break a single law today, yesterday, last week, last month, or all last year.
    -Only 99.97% of concealed carry permits are never revoked. The majority of the alarmingly high .03% that are revoked are pulled because of paperwork and clerical errors.
    -All of the guns I own combined with all the guns owned by everybody I know have managed to murder fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car did.
     
  8. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I just ask one question.

    If you, and your family were in a dangerous situation, any dangerous situation, wouldn't you want to have the appropriate tools, whatever they are, to protect and safeguard your family??
     
  9. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    If my guns are taken away, I'll use an AXE. And it will be the baddest axe anyone has ever seen. Made from a shovel, preferably, like the guy who made his AK from a shovel. A sh!t shovel. Forged in a furnace ignited by my urine, and quenched in the vodka that slakes my thirst. Ees RRUSHON!! (read that whole post with an imaginary fake Russian accent. I don't think you'll be disappointed.)
     
  10. ellis36

    ellis36 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And you could take a thousand guns, loaded and safeties off, leave them laying in a field for a hundred years..until they rusted back into the ground. And during all those years not a single one would have 'gone off.'
     
  11. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    After this last election I'm convinced that more than half this country is comprised of twinkies, wimps, yellow bellies, communists, morons and retards. Trying to explain the pro-gun issue to them is like trying to teach a cow to waterski. They ain't ever going to get it so don't waste your breath.
     
  12. 1911love

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    7.62 you are right. I used to engage and debate the antis every chance I got. I rarely do so anymore bc they get so emotional, angry, won't listen to facts and usually attack me and/or change subject matter to cover their wrongness. Their thinking is flawed to begin with, why would they listen to logic on this issue???
     
  13. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I don't try to explain sh*t anymore. Anti gun and liberal types in general are the most closed minded people in the world and they think they own the moral high ground. They're all "peace, love and tolerance" until you disagree with them. Then they're rabid sonsabitches. F*ck 'em, I've got better things to do.
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    100% agree! well said guys. much better to focus energy and time on those who want to learn and are just not gun owners to begin with. trying to reason with true anti-gunner is just a waste of time and breath.
     
  15. Blueguns

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    I hear a lot of "Why do you need a gun". (Especially because I live in CA) I have a lot of answers to that. Simply because there is a lot of reasons why. You'll notice a lot of good arguments on here.

    One that I like personally is that Hitler, and Stalin were anti-gun. Thomas Jefferson, as well as most of our founding fathers, were pro-gun. You be the judge.
     
  16. JTJ

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    It is not about guns, it is about control. I was asked last week by a Canadian about why I felt it necessary to carry a gun. I answered because I have needed it in the past and may need it again in the future. She was stunned that I actually had needed it. If a normal person that does not own a gun is put in a situation that requires a gun they will probably buy one. An anti gunner will denounce all guns and blame every gun owner for their inability to defend themselves. They dont think about what would happen if they came up against someone with a knife or club. All they think about is that nasty gun. They dont think about a woman has the ability to defend herself from any would be attacker if she has a gun.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Blueguns, i have never seen it put exactly that way before, but a pretty good analogy! i like it!:D
     
  18. B5Dan

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    Yeah... You guys are wayyyy too nice lol. When the anti gunners feed me their line, I tell them I won't ever offend their sensibilities by saving their butts with any of my firearms should the need arise.
     
  19. CrazedJava

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    No offense, but as a follower of politics after seeing Obama's voter totals were down I was stunned to find out many registered voters who were confirmed Republican simply stayed home.

    I'm an independent and did my part for this country. Where the hell were the people who told me how important this election was?

    The future belongs to those who show up.

    Or as someone else once said, talk is cheap.

    If you know someone who hates Obama but didn't vote, ask them where the hell they were on Nov 6th, 2012. I'd sure like to know.
     
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  20. GrtWhytHype

    GrtWhytHype New Member

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    Beautiful. Everything stated is exactly what I needed to boost my mood. Thank you Vincent for the fantastic quote as well. Keep them coming! It's these moments with like minded folks like you all that renew my patriotic feelings and restore my faith in this great country.