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And as others will be quick and correct to point out, Obama may be far worse. But as bad as Obama is, his terrible actions to not make McCain's actions acceptable. At least, not to me.
 

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This is why i won't vote for the hack.
 

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If we are going to elect a "conservative" that does liberal things, I'd rather have the liberal. It will make all the difference in 2012. I'm leaning Libertarian this year. Maybe for good.
 

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That makes a lot of sense....:eek:
Hell, if they want to increase my taxes I would rather give them my entire paycheck...
If they want to ban my AR-15, I'd rather give them all my guns...
My nose is too big, I'll just cut it off to spite my face....
 

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My point is that the Republican party is ignoring their conservative base and will continue to do so until they see their base leaving. I'll vote for them when they put a conservative on the ticket. A conservative with a conservative record. I don't want to see Obama in the White House, but if McCain starts outlawing guns and raising taxes, we'll have nowhere but a 3rd party to go to. Republicans and Democrats are starting to look like 2 sides of the same coin.
 

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If we are going to elect a "conservative" that does liberal things, I'd rather have the liberal. It will make all the difference in 2012. I'm leaning Libertarian this year. Maybe for good.
A whole lot of people think Obama and his "new" ideas are great. Some of them will have a hard lesson coming if he gets in with a Dem congress.

I don't like ceding ground to leftist scum which is why neither O nor M will get my vote. If the S ends up HTF, so be it; we'll deal with it. The worse things get, the more likely others will wake up to recognize socia1ism and abandoning the rule of law and globalization are not so hot.

My point is that the Republican party is ignoring their conservative base and will continue to do so until they see their base leaving.
Here's to hoping they do. (I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.)

I don't want to see Obama in the White House, but if McCain starts outlawing guns and raising taxes, we'll have nowhere but a 3rd party to go to.
And leaving our borders wide open, and catering to racist groups intent on taking 1/3 of the United States by force, and further government encroachment into our lives, and....

Republicans and Democrats are starting to look like 2 sides of the same coin.
They look like the same side of the same coin to me.
 

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You can "deal with" what ever the next Supreme Court throws at us. And you'll be dealing with it for the rest of your life too. Whatever immoral shi% they want to force down your throat you WILL be dealing with, and you won't be able to do a damned thing about it because you voted for it, and it will be here to stay for many , many years, not just the next couple election cycles like all you "principled" voters seem to think.
 

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RL the Supreme Court possible nominees really aren't that important at this junction that and McCain is just as easily to nominate a closet liberal because of his so called centrist left leaning stance on issues like Immigration .

Steven is the oldest member of the Court at 88 and the most likely to retire already a liberal , followed by Ginsberg at 75 so even if liberals take those seats it is a wash .

Scalia and Kennedy both at 72 should survive even 8 years of Obama barring Illness and as we know Kennedy is a bit of a wildcard .

Breyer will soon be 70 and being a liberal he would probably retire in a second term of liberal power to protect the status Quo of the court .

Souter at 69 could be around for 3 perhaps even 4 Presidential cycles and Thomas , Alito and Roberts will be around for perhaps 20-25 years .

While Obama would get a chance to appoint a Supreme or two it is unlikely to make a change in the way it presently leans .

I greatly doubt McCain would nominate any conservative as strong as Roberts , Scalia or Thomas .
 

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You can "deal with" what ever the next Supreme Court throws at us. And you'll be dealing with it for the rest of your life too. Whatever immoral shi% they want to force down your throat you WILL be dealing with, and you won't be able to do a damned thing about it because you voted for it, and it will be here to stay for many , many years, not just the next couple election cycles like all you "principled" voters seem to think.
If I were to say I'm voting directly for Obama, would that wind you up even more? :D

Seriously, lighten up a little bit.
 

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You know, this back and forth, while interesting, isn't what is troubling me at the moment.

Has anyone actually listened to McCain speak publicly lately?!

I listened to him try to backpeddle out of that "mental recession" comment that was made by Phil Gramm and I have to tell you, he didn't come off as the most articulate person to run for office.

I work with, unfortunately, a bunch of young, wide eyed, never traveled outside the US, never walked a post, liberal minded snot noses, and a bunch of Kalofornia transplant Dems from years gone by. The one they can all agree on is that McCain is no brighter than Bush, their favorite bashing stick, and that his getting elected will just be a continuance of current Administration.

Now, I am not a big fan of George DubYa, and I am not any bigger of a fan of McCain, but to have it broken down into the fact that Obama is a friggin Oracle compared to McCain is pretty damn scary. :eek:

Has anyone else noticed this trend, and is bothered by it, or is it just inside my "happy" little bubble??

JD
 

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The three most likely to retire are Liberals - Kennedy is the wild card. If Kennedy was a Liberal we wouldn't have had a favorable opinion on the 2nd Amendment. The abberations on the bench now ( Breyer, Souter, and the Wicked Witch) should never have been appointed in the first place, and have been responsible for the most unconstitutional decisions in the history of this country. To allow those positions to be refilled with more Liberals is unthinkable. If that happens, this country will NEVER be turned around from the cesspool of immorality that currently plagues it - forget about the Presidential elections - they are meaningless in comparison. It strikes me as hypocritical for some to say they are not willing to sacrifice their "principles" for the Presidential election, yet ignore their "priciples" when it comes to the opportunity to firm-up the Judicial branch, the "keepers of our Constitution", and who may be revisiting abortion, gay marriage, immigration law, taxes, etc.. At worst McCain would appoint a moderate, but I would bet my life that he would NOT appoint another Breyer, Souter, or O'Connor.
 

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You know, this back and forth, while interesting, isn't what is troubling me at the moment.

Has anyone actually listened to McCain speak publicly lately?!

I listened to him try to backpeddle out of that "mental recession" comment that was made by Phil Gramm and I have to tell you, he didn't come off as the most articulate person to run for office.

I work with, unfortunately, a bunch of young, wide eyed, never traveled outside the US, never walked a post, liberal minded snot noses, and a bunch of Kalofornia transplant Dems from years gone by. The one they can all agree on is that McCain is no brighter than Bush, their favorite bashing stick, and that his getting elected will just be a continuance of current Administration.

Now, I am not a big fan of George DubYa, and I am not any bigger of a fan of McCain, but to have it broken down into the fact that Obama is a friggin Oracle compared to McCain is pretty damn scary. :eek:

Has anyone else noticed this trend, and is bothered by it, or is it just inside my "happy" little bubble??

JD
The Dems are almost always better speakers. It's been this way for many many years, and is no measure of a persons intelligence or ability to make right decisions - being a good public speaker is just, being a good public speaker! Obama is a good liar, he speaks a good line of BS and has the ability to make it sound heartfelt - the sign of a good politician. I'm tired of good politicians. Bush has always been accused of being a "dummy" but he is anything but, despite his mis-pronunciation of the word "nuclear", and in fact is an Ivy league graduate, and not just because his parents were rich socialites. Yale, Princeton & Harvard don't accept morons. They may graduate morons, but they generally don't accept them..
 

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If I were to say I'm voting directly for Obama, would that wind you up even more? :D

Seriously, lighten up a little bit.
I see no difference between saying that and saying what you are saying. The end result is the same, that's all I'm saying...
 

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The Dems are almost always better speakers. It's been this way for many many years, and is no measure of a persons intelligence or ability to make right decisions.
Well, that is a good point. Within this bubble of liberal whiners it's difficult to see the outside sometimes... LOL

Thanks RL :D

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The three most likely to retire are Liberals - Kennedy is the wild card. If Kennedy was a Liberal we wouldn't have had a favorable opinion on the 2nd Amendment.
This would be the same Kennedy we got an ultra-liberal ruling from where he said executing child rapists is a "disproportionate" punishment to the crime and thus unconstitutional.

Who appointed Kennedy? Ronald Reagan.

The abberations on the bench now ( Breyer, Souter, and the Wicked Witch) should never have been appointed in the first place, and have been responsible for the most unconstitutional decisions in the history of this country.
George Herbert Walker Bush appointed Souter.

To allow those positions to be refilled with more Liberals is unthinkable.
It would be bad. That much is certain. But we had two ostensibly hard-core conservatives appoint two of the leftist jurists on the court. McCain isn't even a hard-core conservative; he's a liberal.

If that happens, this country will NEVER be turned around from the cesspool of immorality that currently plagues it - forget about the Presidential elections - they are meaningless in comparison.
Maybe you're right and maybe this Great Experiment will be lost to humankind forever. Or, maybe, since we have had a taste of how to do it right, we'll figure out a way to do it again. If we're really smart, we won't let it fall at all.

(Voting in a guy who doesn't give a sh*t about the sovereignty of this country may not be the optimal method to put us on the path to recovery.)

At worst McCain would appoint a moderate,
Yeah, right.

but I would bet my life that he would NOT appoint another Breyer, Souter, or O'Connor.
See above.
 

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JD you're correct , even if you have listened to just small snippets on the news here and there much less a complete speech of McCains .

What troubles me more is that he is even backpedaling on issues so quickly that a person can remember almost exactly when he took an opposite position .

At least when Obama does a flip flop the media "if they wanted to expose it which they don't" would have to dig back into months if not years footage .

Not so with McCain , Immigration and Oil prices are just two of the biggies he has all but done a twisted jumping aerial show that would make Shamu the Whale proud trying to please everyone all at once .

It wasn't more than perhaps two months ago I watched an interview where he was asked about possible solutions to these insane gas prices , after the usual bla bla bla he was asked about offshore drilling near California and in ANWAR and he looked dead into the camera and stated opposition to it because "I sir am also an environmentalist" a direct quote from his mouth .

Just the other day I listened to him blather on about how it should be up to the individual state .

Gee what happened to Mr. environmentalist ?
 

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This would be the same Kennedy we got an ultra-liberal ruling from where he said executing child rapists is a "disproportionate" punishment to the crime and thus unconstitutional.

Who appointed Kennedy? Ronald Reagan.

Yes, it's also the same Kennedy that effected a pro-2nd amendment decision 3 weeks ago. When Reagan appointed Kennedy this was a very different country. Bi-partisanship was the beck and call, and to ignore it was certain death for the hopes of any legislation being passed. The country was united in the effort to restore military strength and world leadership. Nowhere near the bickering and fillibustering that we have today.

George Herbert Walker Bush appointed Souter.

I didn't vote for Bush! I detested him almost as much as I detest Obama.

It would be bad. That much is certain. But we had two ostensibly hard-core conservatives appoint two of the leftist jurists on the court. McCain isn't even a hard-core conservative; he's a liberal.

McCain is not a Liberal - he is left of center on some issues and right of center on others. He cannot be counted on for everything we would like to see him take a firm stance on, but he is no Obama!

Maybe you're right and maybe this Great Experiment will be lost to humankind forever. Or, maybe, since we have had a taste of how to do it right, we'll figure out a way to do it again. If we're really smart, we won't let it fall at all.

If Obama gets elected we won't have any say in what happens - particularly not since the Congress and Senate are loaded with Liberals.McCain is no where near the optimum candidate, but Obama is no where near a compromise.
(Voting in a guy who doesn't give a sh*t about the sovereignty of this country may not be the optimal method to put us on the path to recovery.)

At least McCain served his country honorably. I think that says something of his position on sovereignty and is worth more than you give him credit for.
 

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You can "deal with" what ever the next Supreme Court throws at us. And you'll be dealing with it for the rest of your life too. Whatever immoral shi% they want to force down your throat you WILL be dealing with, and you won't be able to do a damned thing about it because you voted for it, and it will be here to stay for many , many years, not just the next couple election cycles like all you "principled" voters seem to think.

I couldn't agree more with you RL357 mag
 
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