May want to hang on to your German Sigs

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  1. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like Sig, Germany is filing bankruptcy and may no longer produce firearms in Europe. Production in the US will continue as US military contracts are still being filled.
     
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  2. Mercator

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    Germany has an arcane law prohibiting weapon exports to countries in conflict. Sig Sauer in Germany has stopped exporting to the US because Sig Sauer North America sold handguns to Columbia I think. Maybe they decided to quit Germany altogether and fully relocate to the US. They are really a Swiss company , and the only reason they contracted Sauer was the Swiss export regulations. Now German production is in question.

    I read somewhere that the Sig of N.A CEO would get a jail sentence in Germany for exporting firearms to countries in conflict. I don’t really understand the relationship between SIG, Sauer, and SIG SAUER of N.A. If they all end up here so much the better.
     
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  3. bluez

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    I currently live in Europe.. and can maybe explain...

    Germany is currently in a fast downward spiral towards Venezuela style de-industrializaion and socialist tyranny.
    Decades of (back in the day) soviet infiltrated media spinning leftist propaganda have seen to that.. after the soviet union disappeared the ideologues they supported in west german media did not and so for decades the FGR has suffered brainwashing..
    Every TV channel is CNN, every news paper is the Washington post... every magazine is The New Yorker ..
    and the the CDU the former center right party, that former communist chancellor merkel heads, that was formerly roughly equivalent to our
    Republicans, have moved so far left they are left of our Dems in many ways.

    The actual leftist parties, the Greens, SPD and "Linke" are at AOC level of craziness and openly support antifa and send antifa after citizen who dare to demonstrate for freedom, while on order police stands by and arrests no one until someone fights back and then they get arrested.
    and together they field about half of all members of parliament. Imagine if half of US Senate and house where rashida Thalib and AOC.
    And they get 100% cheerleader support from the media... AND the govt openly threatens the citizens with jailing them for "haaaate speech" if they protest too loudly the govt destructive policies.
    "Hate speech" which doesnt exist, but is merely code for speech the commies dont like , has up to 10 year prison sentences here.

    Some of those politicians of the Greens have been quoted that it would be "wonderful" if the country becomes de germanized due to immigration..

    Germany prime industry, cars, is slowly chocked by excessive regulation and goverment Diktat and treated as a piggy bank to send money to the EU or finance the invasion via muslims..
    People wanting to own personal firearms are often derided as mentally ill on german media. .

    This are the things that just happend in the past couple months:

    -Lawyer who sued the gov't over its corona restrictions was forced into closed involuntary psychiatric care for "paranoia against government"
    - A member of parliament has submitted a petion to officialyl put Antifa on gov't payroll so they can draw salaries for "the valuable work they do to defend our democracy" (some believable rumors say some of the leftist parties in Gov't already given them money unofficially)
    - Muslims publicly breaking the corona virus restrictions enmasse dont get arrested for it..but people filming the police not enforcing the law on Muslims, do
    - Several liberty demonstrators have been beaten into hospital and one killed (its likely higher but there is a Nachrichtensperre" on german media where it does not report these things... so it takes no small amount of effort to find them out)...
    - Antifa attacked several freedom demonstrators in front of police, police did nothing.. but then proceeded to arrest those who fought back
    - A prominent dissident against Merkel has been debanked... his bank accounts canceled to make it hard for him to do his valuable work
    - The SPD the coalition partner in the Gov't has put declaration of solidarity to Antifa on its websites because "antifa helps make our democracy safe against nazis"
    - dependning on the sources there are between 8-11 murders of germans by muslims and other imported foreigners in the country per day and thousands to tens of thousands robberies, murders and beating against the inhabitants per year... yet Merle; and the rest of her gov't instead of begging the people on thier knees for forgiveness double down on it so to not lose face...
    - hundreds of new censors were hired by facebook and anyone who posts about these things gets deplatformed.
    -yet the ministry of the interior is pontificating almost dailys against the threat of "nazis"... which have not killed anyone in many many years and there IS no real nazi movement in germany today...yet they are a boogeyman conjured up anyone criticizes the gov't destroying the country.....
    - The AFD a party that opposes the destruction of the country is politically about where US Dems were 40 years ago.. or were the governoing party the CDU was just 30 years ago..yet in the now they are labeled "dangerous extremist rightwing" to gov't and media and these dissidents are under constant surveillance and COINTELPRO type attack by govt intelligence agencies...
    - In the military anyone who is not in lockstep with socialist plans wanting to destroy the country gets fired as soon as its found out. ( thats "hate speech" dont you know)
    - An election in a german state went against what Merkel (CDU chancellor) wanted.. She exhorted that "society must set signs against the right"... and magically the winner of the election and his family got threats until he resigned and now there is a new election with an approved outcome...

    I am sure many of you recognize the beginnings of the same trends here.
    This is what the left has in store for us.

    If they own Senate, House and presidency all together just once... they will legalize all illegals and make them voters.. who out of gratefulness will always vote for the left and so create a one party state in perpetuity... the media will cheer all of this on..
    And then they will come after us...Pro America/middle america.. because them planning on "coming after us" is the sole reason of the "gun control" effort.. the left simply does not want their future victims armed.
     
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  4. Gatoragn

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    ^ Unfortunately that is exactly what the future of the USA looks to be.

    Four more years of Trump would probably hold the radicals at bay for another 8 to 10 years.
     
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  5. manta

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    I will or maybe a new one, i see some still for sale here.

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  6. Mercator

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    And yet we keep a large contingent to protect them. While they extend olive branches to our enemies, cuddle with the Russians, obstruct us in the UN half the time. And to this day nobody suggests maybe they should take care of themselves, at their expense, instead of coughing up 2% under scrutiny. Not even Trump.
    Nice summary bluez.
     
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  7. bluez

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    I agree with 80% of what you said..
    the difference is this:

    It would be a boon and a rescue from their own criminal political class if they got taken over by the Russians.
    It would not be like WW2 with millions of murders... Putin isnt Stalin.. speaks fluent German ..He was a KGB agent in East Germany for years and clearly has come to like them more than Chancellor Merkel does.. ironic isnt it.....the russians would simply replace the current political class with something loyal to them , yes corrupt perhaps, but nothing like wanting to destroy the country on purpose as the current mentally ill leadership seems hell bent on doing.

    Remember the Russians arent communists anymore.. they sent Communism to the dustbin where it belongs.
    This is the reason why the left hates them so much.. cultists hate those who left the cult even more than anything.
    Also they have laws excluding LGBT propaganda from schools.. lots of pro family laws intended to make divorce harder not easier, they dont subsidize a foreign invasion.
    Putin said "Russia does not need minorities, minorities need russia and i expect them to conduct themsleves accordingly"
    There are no Rashida Talibs in the Duma making demands of Russia to atone for anything..

    Speaking of minorities.. a german living in RUssia as a german minority will generally get more respect and goodwill from his gov't than a german living in germany (despite or perhaps because the historical atrocities on german minorities in russia when perhaps half of the formerly 3-4 millions strong minority was worked, or at times tortured, to death in camps under stalin.)

    PS: Would this be bad for the US if the russkies took over germany.. short term maybe.. to have a weak ally replaced with a country controlled by a rival (the russkie are not our enemies but merely rivals).. but long term this would be good for the US as Germany under current trends in 50 years will be a muslim majority country..
    And it will be an extremist one.. because 2nd generation invaders are always more extreme than their parents.. and as such the place where germany used to be will then be an implacable enemy of the US forever.
     
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  8. Gatoragn

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    No plans to sell my West German P226 anytime soon.
     
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  9. sheepdawg

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    Nothing wrong with the American ones. This one's from their custom shop.

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  10. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Some folks,reported,some problems with American Sigs a while back. My New Hampshire models have never given me a problem.

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    From a collectors standpoint, once a company shuts down production in a country or location that has a good reputation the values tend to go up.

    Belgian and Utah Brownings are one example that comes to mind.
     
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  11. sheepdawg

    sheepdawg Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Here's what my American made P220 did at ten yards, that's 40 rounds of cheap Federal 230 grain FMJ. 2" target, no rest just off hand. Sig P220 6 6 20 (2).jpg
     
  12. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Seems right to me.

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  13. Mercator

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    Well it’s obviously off hand :D
    Good job dawg.
     
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  14. Mercator

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    Never became comfy with the classic line SIGs. Tried but couldn’t. Too big and tall, long trigger reach in the 220, and the grip angle a little too square. Just bought a 210 American, that’s a different feel entirely.
     
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  15. JTJ

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    Bluez, What about Austria? Wife is from Austria.
     
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  16. Mercator

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    She may have told you then, their national coat of arms features the sickle and the hammer. I stayed there once with no chance to really look around. But the impression is they love socialism, just can’t decide which kind, national or communist. Also lovely is their self serving neutrality and presenting themselves as the first victim of nazi aggression. (Many top nazis were Austrian, including the head honcho)
    Let’s see what bluez brings in.
     
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  17. JTJ

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    My wife left 55 years ago and she is a staunch Trump supporter.
     
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  18. JTJ

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    [​IMG]Hence the hammer and sickle in the Austrian coat of arms have nothing to do with the Communist symbol of hammer and sickle. ... As a symbol of the restoration of Austria's independence and the country's national rebirth, two shackles with a broken chain were placed above the eagle's talons.
    The hammer and sickle represent industry and farming and were put there in 1919.
     
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  19. Mercator

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    It meant exactly socialist. That is how industry and farming were represented on the contemporary Soviet flag. Austria tried social democracy, then semi-fascism, then was of course absorbed by the Reich. After WW2 Austria restored the symbol, a classic case of virtue signaling but also a bow to the Soviets who occupied the country for the next 10 years.

    Added. You probably read Wikipedia. What you highlighted in bold is advocacy, not a fact.
     
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  20. manta

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    Sigs come here from Germany i assume, might have to start getting them from America. I was looking at the markings on mine.

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