Marlin halting production?

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by CHLChris, Dec 24, 2011.

  1. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    I was looking for a Marlin XT-22 and discovered that they were impossible to find, brand new in the store.

    Remington bought them out, apparently, and they have not been putting out new rifles.

    Any news from anyone on Marlin?

    A lever-action .357-mag carbine (1894CSS) was at the top of my list and they're not available new right now, either!
     
  2. MidnightExpress

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    Remington bought them out about 4 years ago (late 2007 or early 2008), they haven't halted production but they've added a lot of new rifles. A youth lever action for example. The new XT rifles are available but not everywhere and they tend to get scooped up rather quickly for those waiting on them. Rimfire forums were full of people waiting for the XT's and every time one hit a store it was gone in a hurry. Plus, some stores were/are trying to sell all the 900 series rifles before stocking or displaying the XT's.

    The lever action you're looking isn't as popular as some of the other calibers, the 30-30, the new .308 and .338 Marlin Express etc. Might be why they're hard to find. Did you ask anyone if they had some in stock? Wal-Mart here doesn't have a display for every rifle and some are actually in the "Gun Room". The Marlin centerfire bolt actions are popular as well, taking up some production time.

    Right now Buds has several Marlin lever guns and the XT series in stock, but no lever in 357Mag. If you really want the 357Mag I would suggest reserving one at Buds, they'll let you know when one comes in. They have several in 30-30, a couple in 45-70, and one in 35 Remington.

    Is this the XT-22 you're looking for? If not there's six or seven others including a youth model.

    Where's you source on this, as it's not even remotely true. They are, and have been producing rifles since Remington bought them. Production did slow down while they moved into another facility.

    Marlin Firearms

    Nearly two pages of Marlin rifles.
    Bud's Gun Shop - Marlin Rifles
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    their production stopped around January of this year when they moved operations to Remington's New York plant. they resumed in about March, and some of the newer Marlins were a little difficult to get at the first of the year until they got production back up and running. i ordered a XS7VH in 308 in February and didn't get it until June. my gun dealer said he was having a hard time then also getting the new XT-22 rifles. they did halt production but resumed when they got move to the Remington plant. the Freedom Group who also owns Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS and others, bought Marlin and HR1871 about 2008.
     
  4. MidnightExpress

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    For clarification.
    Although the integration was less than "seamless", with it occurring in 2008 it would not have caused a shutdown in 2011. However there were some previously readily available rifles that became hard to find during the integration and a few months after. The 60 and 795 became a bit scarce and that was unusual.
    I can't find if or when Freedom Group bought Remington.(still searching) I've seen Remington is "part of" Freedom group mentioned several times. Can't confirm the purchase though. The press release quoted below was from Remington.
    "Grain of Salt" rule applies to Wiki data.
     
  5. TimKS

    TimKS Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Rossi still makes a lever action in .357 mag. It's may become a nice gun if I ever get mine broken in......... :)
     
  6. CHLChris

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    I just thought this current paucity of available guns was a new thing, a current situation. Apparently not. Still, all of my local shops neither have any Marlin 22's in stock, nor do their wholesale distributors have any available. This led me to:

    a) assume this was a new situation and,
    b) ask y'all if my information was correct.

    I am glad to hear that this might simply be a local and temporary issue. It still led me to buy a Savage 22.

    I don't think I'd want a Rossi lever carbine, though, nearly as much as I'd want a Marlin.
     
  7. trip286

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    My mom has a rossi lever in .44 mag. She loves it, and I'll tell you the fit, finish, and function are immaculate. It's absolutely beautiful, stainless octagon barrel, dark walnut stock, polished stainless receiver and butt plate. Smooth as butter and no problems whatsoever with several hundred rounds through it. I wouldn't hesitate.
     
  8. Triumphman

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    I can tell ya this. Remington DOES NOT OWN Marlin. Remington has the duties of making Marlin rifles now. Marlin was bought out by Ceribus(Freedom Group) which is just an "Investment Firm", and moved ALL of Marlin's operations and machinery to Remington's plant in NY. My understanding is that NO MARLIN EMPLOYEEs went with this move. In a sense you could say Remington owns Marlin, as Marlin is under Remington's roof, but in reality they don't, and that's why you still find guns on a listed Marlin website. They are "in Name" only. Remington is keeping Marlin separate from their own operations, but using Remington Employees. You will find if you purchased a "NEW Marlin" after 2008(?), Remington will have (REP) on right side of barrel as opposed to Marlin's (JM) on left side of barrel, but still have Marlin boldly stamped on rifle, as if Marlin actually made gun. What's also happening, is a Lever Action is something new to Remington and it's Employees, and they just don't know how to operate antique and old Marlin machinery to build something this intricate and having a 2-piece stock that was previously made so precisely fitting, hense the ill fitting stock/forearm, bad functioning receiver to load/eject shell, cantered rifle sights, stocks cracking/splitting and prices that are much higher than before, whereas Marlin's dedicated Employees knew how to adjust these old tempermental machines and still put out a quality firearm that would shoot/function just as good, before the takeover, as they did over 100yrs ago. Marlin has had MANY new lever action returned and Remington just doesn't know how to repair them properly, and returning rifles to owner, still not functioning well. From what I understand also, is that ONLY the Lever Action models have stopped production, until problems are fixed or worked out. You can read all about Marlin's Takeover/Rants/Problems/Production and other pertinant info on Marlin Owners Website. Thank goodness I have older Marlins instead of the new stuff, as I'm sick that Remington is running such an Icon as Marlin's name into ground due to QC and repair FUBARs and only looking for quantity instead of quality. I hope I explained this well enough, as it's a long story pertaining to Marlin, and a lot of info is lost or twisted as time passes, but a lot of Marlin "big wigs" are on the MO website that have a lot of better info than I have or could explain as I don't know what happened behind closed doors. Only what's been told on Marlin Owners website.
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  9. MidnightExpress

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    Savage is a good rifle, I have one in 270 and their rimfire rifles are very popular at the Rimfire Central forum. But I would like to get my hands on one of the Marlin tube feed 22-Mag XT's.

    The new XT rifles were slow to hit the streets and sporadic at best in the beginning. They're still somewhat scarce now. One or two in a few different models would show up at a store a not sit long. Some of the rimfire boards were monitoring these pretty close because a lot of people wanted the new adjustable trigger.

    To be honest I think Marlin may have spread them selves thin with production. With new lever guns in the Marlin Express rounds, the Big Loop, and two Deluxe models, (336 & 1894) the new rimfires, and they seem to have added a few more calibers to the centerfire bolt action line. Then the $25 rebate on the 795 for the last two or three years, so they were turning those out in large quantities. Plus the Remington purchase and integration, all this in the past 3-4 years probably put a strain on everything. Haven't seen anything in the way of a shortage with the 336 in 30-30, and just a minor drop off with the Model 60/ 795. But these are some of their most popular rifles, and the $25 rebate on the 795 helped keep those flying off the shelves.

    I'm also wondering how much slower things are since the integration into the Remington plant.
     
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  10. CHLChris

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    I got really excited when you said Marlin lever-action in .308. And then I noticed it was in .308 Marlin Express. BAH! What a worthless chambering, since a primary purpose for me is having a rifle chambered in something I can actually store without breaking the bank!

    Axxe, you get points for using punctuation, but lose points for not capitalizing your first letter of each sentence. :D
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well just put an "F" on my report card, and i'll write " i will capitilize", one thousand times on the blackboard! lol!:eek:
     
  12. CHLChris

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    All in good fun. Today was a slow news day, being Christmas and all.
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i goin be wurkin on me speling skils nex! lol!:eek:!!!
     
  14. CHLChris

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    So...my experience trying (and failing) to find a .357 Marlin 1894css has a reason:

    RIP, Marlin Carbines
     
  15. MidnightExpress

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    Double post
     
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  16. MidnightExpress

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    This does explain the shortage, but I think I would give Marlin a call. The press release said halting until the end of the year. They may start up again. But if demand drops off too much they'll probably discontinue them all together. There web site still has them listed in pistol rounds, but that doesn't mean much. The web site could be out of date.

    It may help if everyone wanting a pistol caliber lever action would call Marlin to request one, they'll start producing them again.

     
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  17. big shrek

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    Much of the lever-action lines got halted so they could address quality issues..
    Given my conversations with some Marlin Management critters, it is a good thing.
    The lever-actions are Marlin's Bread & Butter...they make the money.
    They are going to get them RIGHT...because Biz likes Profit ;)

    The 60 & 795 & 70-P lines don't garner much profit, just massive sales.
    Several issues have been resolved in the last two months...like the off-kilter 3/8" accessory rails :)

    The X-7 line is making money...few issues if any on those.

    Things should be normalized by spring/summer.