Marlin closing doors???

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by stalkingbear, Apr 2, 2010.

  1. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone else heard the scuttlebutt that Marlin is going to close or relocate next year? I've heard it from 2 different sources but don't want to believe it. It'll be a sad day indeed if they really do close their doors. I heard the company that owns Remington, Marlin, DPMS, and 1 or 2 others is putting Marlin on the chopping block. Even if they relocate them the majority of workers will still lose their jobs.
     
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  3. skullcrusher

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    I have not heard anything. I think they also own H&R and NEF. That would suck if they moved into China or Mexico. I will keep my eyes and ears open.
     
  4. CA357

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    Cerberus formed Freedom Group as a "roll up" for collecting some major firearms brands into a single corporate entity to give it mass and volume. The intent is take Freedom public with an initial public offering (IPO) sometime in the not-so-distant future so Cerebrus can make a mint from the stock sale. That's how corporate capitalism works. In the meantime, Freedom will "eliminate redundancies, streamline and 'right size'" to shed overhead (meaning people and facilities) to fatten the bottom line to make the sale more attractive to potential buyers of the stock. As all of this will be managed by finance people who couldn't care less one way or another what the product is (it could be firearms, autos, widgets, etc.), primary attention will be paid to cost efficiencies, not necessarily product differentiation or quality. I'll not be surprised if -- and when -- one of Freedom's factories produces all bolt rifles; another, all shotguns; move all AR-style to one place; or even if they decide to outsource everything offshore. The brands will stay alive (at least long enough for Cerberus to get its money out) but I expect the products will lose their character and, eventually, their history.
     
  6. spittinfire

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    That is truely sad for a number of reasons. I hate to see more people losing their jobs and Marlin make a great affordable rifle. I hope the move doesn't happen but if it does I hope their quality doesn't drop too.
     
  7. stalkingbear

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    The fact that they're going to lay off all 265 employees don't speak well for the quality after they move. Those people are the 1s that know those rifles inside out. What's going to happen when they get all new people to build them? They won't have a clue except what's on paper.
     
  8. UnderFire

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    I haven't heard closing the doors, but have heard of selling it off. That what happens when investment groups own several companies. All they see is numbers and if the numbers aren't good they sell. I don't know how well Marlin is doing. Cerberus Capital Management has their hands into a lot of things; sporting goods, firearms, transportation, etc.They have lost a lot because of the governments dealings about bailing out The Chrysler Corp. They're having to regain losses. Hopefully they will just sell Marlin to another U.S. Company and Marlin will be able to continue on.
     
  9. Mack Bolan

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    I'm not liking the sounds of that, besides the fact I dont even have a marlin yet...

    quite honestly, one reason i enjoyed getting back into firearms was because it was a lot easier to buy american made products, and get the quality you paid for....
     
  10. Oohrah

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    Dillenger is correct. There are not many owned by the USA companies left any longer, who deal in firearms and firearms related items. I do think that someone besides the front companies, will turn out to be a untimate owner.
    I can recall few decades back when farm equipment such as IH was taken over by Tenneco, who turned out to be a foreign holder. Internation Harvester, and I think Case are no longer anything but history!:mad:
     
  11. Cnynrat

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    As others have said, sad news.

    Ironically, earlier today I ordered a Marlin 39A that I've been wanting for a while.
     
  12. 4fingermick

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    It will be sad news if it does fold, but I can't imagine that at this stage, they pretty much have the rifle calibre lever rifle game to themselves at the moment (apart from what appears to be a not so successful attempt by Mossberg to enter the market and a new rifle from Rossi). You'd think if they couldn't make a go of it under those circumstances, they never would.

    Marlins aren't cheap out here, they are as dear or dearer than most yankee bolt guns (as dear as two marlin bolt rifles and about 200-300 dollars dearer than a Ruger and a tad cheaper than the new Win Mod70). They still seem to sell ok here, probably because there is no competition.

    Everyday, a brand disappears, a lolly gets smaller, a product gets tinnier, a whole bunch of workers get screwed. It sucks, but it seems to be the way of things now, which is a shame. I don't know how (or if) they get worker loyalty under these circumstances. Business now seem to regard workers as a resourse that you buy when you need it and shed immediately you are done. Like boring Bob said, 'strange days indeed!'
     
  13. Wambli

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    Marlin is not going away. They are closing their plant and moving manufacturing to North Carolina. Just another gun company that is fed up with the unions choking them to death and the corrupt anti-gun government of Connecticut.
     
  14. spittinfire

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    They're coming to my state??!?!?! I see a new job!
     
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    I heard they are going to utilize the old Remington Ilion facilities but that doesn't seem likely since Remington bailed from there to NC because of high labor costs. The local gubmint in Utica is lobbying hard to to get them to come there with all kinds of free gubmint money, but once bitten twice shy. They'd do well to steer clear like Wambli said of the unions and corrupt gubmint.
     
  16. Patrick Sperry

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    Man I hope not!

    I sure hope that Marlin keeps going. I've owned several over the years and loved them all. The XL7 that I have written about that Neil built up for me is simply an outstanding rifle, at any price.

    Not to mention I will have to pay a premium for another 450! :mad:
     
  17. 4fingermick

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    I can't imagine them stopping production, they pretty much have the rifle calibre lever rifle market to themselves and the 1894 is a popular rifle as well. Their bolt gun just walks out the door here.

    They must be just making arrangements to improve their bottom line. I don't know if it is correct, but I have been led to believe that the workforce is very militant and the local Govt not very supportive. A move to another state means some handouts from the govt to encourage the move and the chance for a clean sweep and a fresh start with the labour force.

    I have never been much of a Marlin affondicio, but have used Marlins in 45/70 for a long time as they were all that was available, and i just love punkin rollers. Lately I have been gettign into marlins a bit more as my eyesight deteriorates, the marlins allow me to mount a scope for use in heavy close and often dark forests. I have trimmed back a bit recently, but now have a 1975 built 336 in 30/30 and recent production 444 and a 44mag 1894, a finally an unfired 1895 Cowboy. I would like a 25/20, a 32/20 and a 38/55, but unless I trip over a good deal, I'm not going out of my way to get them as I have the smaller calibres covered in Win 92s and a Savage 23 in 32/20.

    I also fancy one of those 338Marlins!

    I reckon they will be back and it will be interesting to see what they are like. Hopefully they will be better quality or cheaper (as they are getting real expensive here), or both.

    I'm thinking I'd better get one of those bolt guns justtttttttttttttt in case! They have a nice camo 243 down the road, hmmmmmmmmmmm!

    Always sad to see old companies and factorys close, but we are as much a part of the problem as anything else, we want everything cheap! If you turn the screw in far enough, it ends up screwed!
     
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  18. Vikingdad

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    Marlin Closing Update

    Are Marlin/Remington The New 1970′s Harley-Davidson? | The Truth About Guns

    I read this after finding it on another forum where the OP said that Freedom Arms announced today that they are eliminating the Marlin line due to poor quality control. Ironically they were the cause of the poor QC due to their closing the original North Haven plant and laying off all of the workers there. Nothing like telling your employees they are worthless and your loyal customers that their loyalty is worth even less.

    I don't know if the new rumor is true. Anybody else heard anything that can be substantiated?
     
  19. therewolf

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    Wow. Bummer! My favorite rifle is my 1894 Marlin. The Black Walnut

    stock looks like a million bucks. It's a great little truck gun.
     
  20. Vikingdad

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    It could just be another nasty Internet rumor. I went to their FB page and there were two posts I saw that applied. One said that Freedom had announced they were shutting down production to address poor QC issues. No word on how long they thought that might take (how long does it take to move your production back to New Haven and rehire all of the people they pissed off and making restitution for wrongful termination? Could take awhile.) and the other guy just posted a quick "I hearing (sic) you guys are shutting down production?" and that was all.

    Marlin has not answered the posts (this being a Sunday and all) but I will keep my eyes peeled.