Mandatory Mask Orders: Can You Still Carry in Your State

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by PaBushMan, Jul 9, 2020.

  1. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Here is the first test in FL:

    https://www.fox13news.com/news/flor...at-claimed-mask-ordinance-is-unconstitutional

    But Judge John Cooper, who announced his ruling after hearing arguments, cited evidence that face masks can help prevent the spread of the virus and said the ordinance has a “valid basis” to protect public health.

    “I find that this ordinance does not violate any constitutional rights,” Cooper said.
     
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  2. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    Odd how C19 seemed to go away when the rioting started. But came back when it ended. We had a total of 4 Confirmed cases in the county I live. I live in one of the largest counties in KY. All are well and doing fine. I’d have a better chance to win the lottery, than to catch C19 when I stay local.
     

  3. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Usually no I dont wear a seatbelt.
    I dont drink .
    I do. To an extent. That's why I'm pretty frequently taking friends to appoints that need a driver etc, though I do admit I care less about people general than I once did. Really have grown to not like people in general very much.

    The folks I see wearing masks are either wearing the useless plain cloth ones, most of them only have it over the mouth or hanging under their nose and mouth.

    Masks are a joke. Even effective ones wont do diddly worn UNDER the nose and mouth.

    I'm simply NOT going to be one of the rats in Beshears socialist control experiment.
    Wear a mask if you want. I won't fault anyone for doing so if it makes them feel better. It's your right.

    Its mine to tell our commie gov to go pound sand over his illegal order.

    Even the cops here aren't wearing them.

    And the stores in general are paying no attention either. Just came back from the grocery this morning . No mask, nothing said.
     
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  4. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Beshears mask order was struck down before he publically issued it. Yet he forged ahead and did it anyway.
    Hell lose the appeal like he has on every other virus order hes issued.
     
  5. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

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    By catching droplets, it’s also catching the virus within that droplet. The virus is not separate from the droplets. Cloth masks offer some level of protection. Better than nothing. I’ll continue to wear a mask when leaving my house.
     
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  6. ellis36

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    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julio...atherings-to-stop-covid19-except-for-n2572260

    "...New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) told CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer on Thursday he has banned all large gatherings and events through September to help prevent the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus but left the door open for Black Lives Matter protests to continue.

    De Blasio said, "we don’t need big events any time soon" because the city "had a lot of success" in bringing down the number of COVID-19 cases in the city.

    "It’s all about health and safety first. This is obviously the thing President Trump doesn’t understand. We don’t just decree we want things to happen regards of the human impact. We look at the science, the data. The data is telling us, it is not time for large gatherings. Just like we said we would not have indoor dining in New York City, because we saw the really painful reality in Texas and Florida and other places. You’ve got to be smart," de Blasio said.

    "What about protests, people want to march on 5th avenue. Are they going to be allowed to do so?"
    Blitzer asked.

    "Wolf, this is always an area of sensitivity. If we were just talking about health, hey, folks, stay home if you can. We understand at this moment in history, people are talking about the need for historic changes. I mean, today in New York City, recognizing the power and meeting of the message Black Lives Matter, which we did in front of Trump Tower, this is a historic moment of change," de Blasio explained. "We have to respect that but also say to people the kinds of gatherings we’re used to, the parades, the fairs, we just can’t have that while we’re focusing on health right now."..."
     
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  7. G66enigma

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    Was out and about this morning, myself, as well. Stopped in a couple of shops. Was the only one there. Lots of people are staying away from others. About a third to a half of people seem to be wearing a "mask" of sorts. Almost all of those seem to be the homemade 100-threads-per-inch-and-ineffective type; and half of those drooping over the nose and dangling on the upper lip.

    At least nobody set fire to City Hall overnight, though. I guess that's something.
     
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  8. Mercator

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    Let them have what they deserve. The feds should warn them, if you get away with Bull**** Matters Marching, fine; if not, you’re on your own.
    I don’t give a flying schmuck about them. Sorry for the good people there
     
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  9. armoredman

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    Sorry, but that is actually not true. The ONLY time "mask" is mentioned in AZ state criminal code is as a sentencing enhancement for committing a crime while wearing a mask or disguise. It is perfectly legal to CCW while wearing a mask in the state or Arizona as long as you are not committing a crime.
    https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00701.htm
     
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  10. Nmwabbit

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    thank you for your mask usage...

    sorry, maineiak, but for the most part the mandatory wearing of masks has not been passed by congress nor state legislatures but rather overseer EOs.

    further, the laws on seat belt use were passed to mitigate vehicle deaths as well as minimize injuries, YET since passage, yearly vehicle deaths continues to average 35K with 3M non-fatal injured, thus costing economically around 70B dollars in medical and lost production. Therefore, what if any thing has it mitigated?

    With the virus hyperbole, the economic losses, just from a federal perspective, is 5Trillion $ passed to support the citizens of this country. Thats not encompassing losses in revenue at the state/local level caused by overseer mandates placed of mom/pop/local businesses over mask use!
     
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  11. JTJ

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    The law was recently changed and there is legislation in the works to make it a felony rather than an enhancement to wear a mask while committing a crime.
     
  12. armoredman

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    No sir it wasn't. The Legislature is not currently in session, adjourned Sin Die on May 26th, 2020 and will not return to session until January per law, as quoted here;
    https://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=https://www.azleg.gov/ars/41/01101.htm
    The azleg.gov website IS updated with all relevant bills from the first regular session, so just for grins and giggles I looked at ALL the 90 bills that were chaptered before the Legislature dissolved in panic. I found no mention of "masks". Here is the link, see if I am wrong.
    https://apps.azleg.gov/BillStatus/SearchChapteredTransmittedTo
    Now for the last statement - there is NO proposed legislation in AZ state government at this time. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. They can't submit bills for the 55th Legislature because it hasn't convened yet.
     
  13. armoredman

    armoredman Well-Known Member

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    I searched the entire ARS for the word "mask", and found 5 results.
    https://www.azleg.gov/arstitle/
    The first three results are three ways to the same link, the law that deals with tax exempt status for medical masks sold by prescription.
    Number 4 is an inclusion in the description of, and I quote, "Sadomasochistic abuse".
    The 5th and final one is the one I listed above, where it is merely an enhancement of a crime NOT a crime in and of itself. That Arizona Revised Statute is 13-701, linked here.
    https://www.azleg.gov/search/oop/qfullhit.asp?CiWebHitsFile=/ars/13/00701.htm&CiRestriction=mask
    Sir, I have provided links, dates, facts and figures - I would that you do the same.
     
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  14. Missouribound

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  16. jigs-n-fixture

    jigs-n-fixture Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Deaths, and injuries per mile driven, all went down. Folks drive more, and there are more cars on the road. So the miles driven rose, and the number of deaths and injuries stayed stable.
     
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  17. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It is handy to know, deaths per million drivers or some point of reference.
     
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  18. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Mandatory masking is not only a US debate.

    https://www.fox13news.com/news/time-to-make-masks-mandatory-its-not-just-a-us-debate

    Amid pervasive backsliding on social distancing, Britain and France are weighing whether to require people to wear masks in public places.

    Scientists say the two countries' governments should have done so ever since they started easing lockdowns — like many other European nations did – instead of exposing their populations to the risk of infections from mass dance parties and summer vacationers who think there’s no longer anything to worry about.
     
  19. manta

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    I think masks should be mandatory in public place's, but that would be a decision for the regional governments not the UK government.
     
  20. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My point was, it is not only the US that is having the debate.