Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

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  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    I was watching yahoo news and the Malaysia authorities both civilian and military were discussing the disappearance of Flight 370. Even if the plan was hijacked, radio out and/or emergency the pilot can change the mode 3 code.

    Even it the transponder was turned completely off, the civilian and military radar will pick a blimp on the radar as a signature, indicate control lost from that point and follow that radar signature. If the plane exploded and/or hit by missile or whatever, some form of pattern would shown up on radar.

    If the plane happen to land elsewhere, someone on the ground would be chatting via some form of communications as to why a Boeing 777 is here.

    If the plane did crash land in open water, the black box would transmit a locator beacon.

    Remember TWA 800 off the Atlantic exploded in 1996, it left debris in the ocean.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
    http://longisland.news12.com/complete-coverage-twa-flight-800-1.5708893


    I found this from natural news.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#

    • Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

    No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

    • Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

    Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

    • Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water Some parts and even passenger(s) stuff will come to the surface.

    In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

    Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

    • Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

    One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

    The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

    • Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

    Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

    Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

    • Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

    Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

    Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.



    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html##ixzz2vaBT8pVN
     
  2. winds-of-change

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    I want to know how they didn't know two people boarded with stolen passports as they were boarding but they know that now.
     

  3. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Add more to the mystery!

    Interpol probes more suspect passports from missing flight

    http://news.yahoo.com/interpol-says...sports-malaysia-flight-130200611--sector.html

    'One of two men who boarded doomed Air Malaysia flight on a stolen passport looked like Mario Balotelli': Authorities reveal key clue as they hunt Mr Ali, mystery Iranian businessman who booked their tickets

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Probe-5-passengers-checked-never-boarded.html
     
  4. Cinderocka1989

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    Especially since they weren't stolen recently.
     
  5. big_blue79

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    That's what I've been saying myself, if it blew up there would be a Radar signature of an Explosion that would have been seen. I've also seen theories about Signal Jammers possibly being used. The US looked at our satellite imagery and didn't see anything concurrent with an explosion, but yet couldn't see where the plane went? They just don't want to say anything for risk of other nations finding out just how powerful our satellite's are..
     
  6. Bigcountry02

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    I remember all too well, during air defense exercises the chaff cloud.

    The passports - The Italian passport was stolen August 2013 and the Austrian was stolen 2 years ago from what we are hearing in the news. Even going thru customs, red flags would have been raised.
     
  7. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Another article from AP. I am not a nuclear expert; but, if some form of nuclear explosion small or large would have been detection and sent alarms off. An EMP related explosion, the plane would have been completely destroyed; but, the effects of the blast would have been detected.

    Nuclear test experts to check if plane exploded

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-10-13-56-20
     
  8. SSGN_Doc

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    Swallowed by a UFO.
     
  9. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Never know!

    The other thing, could have done to avoid radar signature, drop the jet at or near the deck and fly below radar?
     
  10. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    This came to thought, anything else?

    Reading online that the family members are calling the cell phones on those planes. Some passengers do and some don't switch to either flight mode, silent or off.

    Family members are saying the phones are ringing and I mean ringing. After a specific amount of rings the voice mail intercepts it, I have one phone for when my wife's family comes to visit and have not established a voice mail account so the phone tends to ring on, very annoying!

    If the plane did crash in the ocean or on land, either the phone(s) are damaged from the crash and/or from the ocean salt water. The caller would be automatically directed to the voice mail or no voice mail, which the phone will indicate out of service.

    Did those cell phones of the passengers have international capability?

    If the passengers do have iPhone(s) or other Smart phone, did they establish tracking capability for their phone thru their communications provider? Can those providers conduct a trace?

    Update:

    China takes CAL terrorist attack warning seriously

    http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/ne...ed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=DTN+Taiwan
     
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  11. big_blue79

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    Hmm.. interesting about the phones, they should go right to voicemail, any cell phone I've seen, whether shut down by water, or manually, should go automatically to voicemail.

    Now the tracking stuff, will only work if the phone is fully functional, be it off or on, and IIRC will take a court order to get the Service Company to track the phone, don't hold me to that though.
     
  12. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Fox news had an article that now search will be ordered for over land.

    I rechecked my Family Phone - correction after 5 rings goes to voice mail - was not like that before.

    I am assuming that this emergency might override service company from not tracking, or doing a triangulation or GPS to pinpoint the location of the phone(s).
     
  13. texaswoodworker

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    That doesn't explain it suddenly disappearing. ATC should have been able to detect a drop in altitude.
     
  14. big_blue79

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    The Malaysian military has radar data showing the missing Boeing 777 jetliner changed course and made it to the Malacca Strait, hundreds of kilometers (miles) from the last position recorded by civilian authorities, according to a senior military official.

    The development injects more mystery into the investigation of the disappearance of Saturday's flight, and raises questions about why the aircraft was not transmitting signals detectable by civilian radar.

    Local newspaper Berita Harian quoted Malaysian air force chief Gen. Rodzali Daud as saying radar at a military base had detected the airliner at 2:40 a.m. near Pulau Perak at the northern approach to the strait, a busy waterway that separates the western coast of Malaysia and Indonesia's Sumatra island.

    "After that, the signal from the plane was lost," he was quoted as saying.

    A high-ranking military official involved in the investigation confirmed the report and also said the plane was believed to be flying low. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

    Authorities had earlier said the plane, which took off from Kuala Lumpur on the western coast of Malaysia at 12:40 a.m. Saturday en route to Beijing, may have attempted to turn back, but they expressed surprise that it would do so without informing ground control.

    The search for the plane was initially focused on waters between the eastern coast of Malaysia and Vietnam, the position where aviation authorities last tracked it. No trace of the plane, which was carrying 239 people, has been found by than 40 planes and ships from at least 10 nations searching the area.

    Earlier Tuesday, Malaysia Airlines said in a statement that search and rescue teams had expanded their scope to the Malacca Strait. An earlier statement said the western coast of Malaysia was "now the focus," but the airline subsequently said that phrase was an oversight. It didn't elaborate. Civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said the search remained "on both sides" of the country.

    Also Tuesday, authorities said two people who boarded the flight using stolen passports were Iranians who had purchased tickets to Europe. Their use of stolen documents had raised speculation of a possible terrorist link.

    Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said investigators had determined one was a 19-year-old Iranian, Pouria Nourmohammadi Mehrdad, and that it seemed likely he was planning to migrate to Germany.

    "We believe he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group," Khalid said.

    Interpol identified the second man as Seyed Mohammed Reza Delavar, a 29-year-old Iranian, and released an image of the two boarding a plane at the same time. Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble said the two men traveled to Malaysia on their Iranian passports, then apparently switched to their stolen Austrian and Italian documents.

    He said speculation of terrorism appeared to be dying down "as the belief becomes more certain that these two individuals were probably not terrorists." He appealed to the public for more information about them.

    Noble said neither of the men had a criminal record.

    Malaysia Airlines, meanwhile, said it is investigating an Australian television report that the co-pilot on the missing plane had invited two women into the cockpit during a flight two years ago.

    Jonti Roos described the encounter on Australia's "A Current Affair." The airline said it wouldn't comment until its investigation is complete.

    Roos said she and her friend were allowed to stay in the cockpit during the entire one-hour flight on Dec. 14, 2011, from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur. She said the arrangement did not seem unusual to the plane's crew.

    "Throughout the entire flight, they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight," Roos said.

    Roos didn't immediately reply to a message sent to her via Facebook.

    http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-military-says-missing-jet-changed-course-154630031.html

    Someone said that all but proves the Transponder was shut off, if ATC couldn't pick them up off course but the Military could..
     
  15. Eagle1803

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    The media thinks they are BS ing everybody, all the above statements makes me feel better about why I keep saying to myself, why haven't they found that jetliner?

    I smell a rat!:D
     
  16. Bigcountry02

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    I was watching CNN on this after taking the dogs for their walks.

    The article on China deploying 10 Satellites to help, CNN and Fox both were saying that U.S. is doing the same thing.

    Still no trace!

    Drudge Report has some links:

    Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311

    China deploys 10 satellites to help in search for Malaysia jet
    http://news.yahoo.com/china-deploys...DMTBsNWFkOTNlBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMyBHNlYwNzcg--

    Vanished Malaysia Airlines flight leaves relatives with anger and phantom phone calls
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html
     
  17. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Big Brother...............

    777 flying at 35,000 ft. suddenly goes off radar, who was sleeping at the screen. Most were from china.???????? China was doing testing on thier new war machines in the same area........:eek:;)
     
  18. big_blue79

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    I hope for Malaysia's sake this doesn't turn out to be a huge ass hoax, let's just say with the amount of nation's helping, not too mention military, it won't be too good for them..
     
  19. Bigcountry02

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    Sorry for the late or miss response!

    Just maybe was sleep at the wheel and/or the military who today stated that the plane did a U-turn and headed west, 2 days late and everyone was looking in the east. Something does not smell right.

    Also, read this article, the plane itself can be taken over by outside source! :eek:

    https://www.federalregister.gov/art...r-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system

     
  20. TekGreg

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    If you read this article closely, Boeing created a computer network on board the plane that handled passenger entertainment, avionics (controls to fly the plane) and safety systems. To add fuel to the fire, it had a network extender, which would give access to the systems from greater distance. Also, they had not yet addressed the security flaws that were inherent to this design.

    What all this means is that passengers, crew and even possibly persons not on the plane could access this network. Since it handled passenger entertainment, my assumption is that passengers had limited access to this on board network, which anyone that has dealt with network security can tell you is enough access to further hack the rest of the network. Trust me, it is not that hard to break into a system, and the newer the better, as it hasn't been tested. This article freely admits that they had not even addressed security vulnerabilities.

    The fact that this same network controlled the fly-by-wire (FBW) system means that control of the network could potentially allow control of the flight surfaces on the plane. The FBW usually smoothes pilot controls to the control surfaces of the plane to avoid harsh movements that could cause unsafe moves or stalling, but if someone controls the network that controls that system, they could conceivably enter control commands that the FBW would execute, just as if the pilot or copilot was entering them from the cockpit.

    It's amazing they installed this network without rigorous safety testing.