making my own .223 deer load. need help.

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by kryptar19, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    Ok so I'm pushing the limit a little bit. I want to make my own .223 load that can kill a deer out to 350 yards. I know its a long shot on deer foor such a small bullet, but I think it can be done.

    I'm thinking that a fast moving 68-75 grain balistic tip can do the trick. I've been looking at Hornady V-max and Superformance.

    What bullets and powder do you guys think will fit the bill?
     
  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I don't hunt at all and know nothing about hunting but isn't a 350 yard shot a loooong one for any hunter?
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    How big are the deer? A .223 with a heavier bullet may be adequate for the smaller Texas deer, but I would not even consider it for the big mid west deer. Even then neck shots are advisable.
     
  4. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    I hunt in Arkansas, the deer here are not real big. A giant will be like 200lbs.
     
  5. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    It is a long shot, but I've killed 'em at that distance before.
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I would consider .223 "adequate" for deer in that size range. Certainly not optimal, but adequate. Neck shots only.
     
  7. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    We shoot deer with our .223's in the heart out to like 150-200yds and they never go far. Maybe they will run 50yds.

    I'm wanting to make a custom load that has the power to kill 'em behind the shoulder at 350yds.

    Should I have put this in the hunting forum??
     
  8. bowguy

    bowguy New Member

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    At the range you're interested in I feel the .223 is not an adequate caliber. Part of the requirement, accuracy is not the issue. Bullet energy is where the rub comes in. For a bullet to have proper controlled expansion the .223 is not IMO the caliber for the job. Look up the foot pouinds of energy at this range (compare bullet weights) then inquire what is the necessary enegery for proper "controlled" expansion. Shooting prairie dog or other small game/varmints at this range is all together different. It's all about bullet performance.
     
  9. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    That's why I'm loading my own round. I'm looking at using thr Hornady V-max, it is made to get good expansion in low velocity situations, and I'm going to load it with slow-burning powder.

    I'm just wondering if there are better bullets for the job, and what powder people suggest.
     
  10. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    The VMax is strictly a varmint bullet.On larger animals such as deer,they just explode on impact and only cause an outer flesh wound.
    I load up my hunting loads with 65gr Sierra Game Kings,and also use 70gr Speer Soft Points.These are the heaviest .224 hunting bullets that are available.

    I would limit the effective range of them to 150-200 yds on deer sized game,but they will put them down quick with good shot placement.

    Varget,H335,and BL-C(2) give very good results with either bullet.
     
  11. quigleysharps4570

    quigleysharps4570 New Member

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    A 55 gr. Barnes TSX is a good bullet too...been alot of Oklahoma deer dropped with my .220 Swift and that bullet. But...like Txhillbilly said...I'd limit the shots to 150-200 yards with that .223 if it were me.
     
  12. Fisherking

    Fisherking New Member

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    For powder I like Varget or Bench Mark wich is smaller extuded Varget.
    My 2 cents

    F.K.
     
  13. bowguy

    bowguy New Member

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    Several different powders and bullet combinations will get you to the target. As I said earlier, accuracy isn't the issue. Also, as stated, the VMax isn't designed for your intended purpose. I hope the chart below will convence you to look for a more appropriate caliber.

    Energy (ft-lbs) .223 Remington
    Cartridge_Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500
    UMC® 45 1259 871 590
    Premier® AccuTip™ 50 1209 927 701 522 380 273
    UMC® 50 1302 933 655
    Premier® AccuTip™ 55 1282 995 763 576 427 312
    Remington® Express® 55 1282 921 648 443 295 197
    Remington® Express® 55 1282 939 675 473 323 220
    Remington® Express® 55 1282 929 660 456 307 207
    UMC® 55 1282 929 660
    Remington® Express® 62 1260 911 643 442 298 204
    Remington® Express® 69 1379 1133 925 747 598 473
     
  14. bowguy

    bowguy New Member

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    Sorry the text formatting didn't transfer well but looking at the energy values show at 300 yards the highest energy level is barely over 900 foot pounds. All other bullets were near one-half this.
     
  15. Dan308

    Dan308 New Member

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    my opinion is that the .223 is not the right tool for the job at 350yds. None of the .223 bullets are constructed for that purpose. I mean yes you can kill a deer at that range with a .223 but it won't be pretty. At 300 yards the .223 has 440 ft lbs. of energy. A 30-30 which is considered a brush or close range gun has 650 ft lbs. of energy.

    Dan308
    www.dtknives.com
     
  16. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    Thanks guys for all the info. I was thinking that it could be possible but now that I've seen the charts (which I should have done in The first place) I see that's just not gonna make the cut at 350 yards. Not on deer anyways.
     
  17. bowguy

    bowguy New Member

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    Good for you krytar19.
     
  18. TLuker

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    I've been looking for a .223 load for deer as well and was think exactly what you have posted. I think I'll start with 65gr Sierra.
     
  19. treehugger49

    treehugger49 New Member

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    Get a 6.8 SPC upper for your AR-15 and you'll be good on deer out to 350 yards. Lots of options for those who roll their own, too.
     
  20. randyjarrett

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    Don't let anybody try and fool you about light grain bullets. A 55 gr. Nosler Balistic Tip loaded with 25 gr. Hodgen Benchmark Powder has muzzle velocity of 3000 fps, at 200 yds it is still 2300 fps with 646# energy, at 300 yds. it is 2000 fps with 489# Energy. Now for the shocker a 50 gr. Nosler Bal. Tip with 3200fps at the muzzle has at 200 yds. 2400 fps and 640# energy, 300 yds. 2100 fps and 490# energy. So with the 50 gr you are shooting flatter which means more bullet speed and within 1# of energy, sight in at 3" low at a hundred yds. you should be dead on at 200 and 5" low at 300. With a 55 gr. you need to sight in 3.5" low at a 100 yds to be dead on at 200 and 5.7 low at 300. All by the way this is with a 14" Thompson Contender barrel, just imagine what a rifle barrel would be. Now just a couple pointers, make sure your gun it on, a bullet, I don't care how big or how small and fast will do no harm if it goes flying bye you deer. Also a 25-06 would be a great choice for this kind of hunting with a 85 Nosler Bal. Tip. I just say nosler because their ballistics are in the back of the load book.

    Randy