Making a clone of my ar15

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by mausersurgeon, Apr 13, 2011.

  1. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    Hello, I'm looking for a cheap, reliable .22lr ar15 to make an EXACT clone of my current 5.56mm AR15. Now, all the accessories are commonplace, so I'm not worried about that, but the AR15 .22lr models I've seen are all pure flattops, and I have a M4A1 styled DPMS ( DPMS: AR-15 Rifles, Parts and Accessories. )

    Does anyone know where to find a .22 verison of this rifle?
     

  2. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    Thanks, but I've looked into these and what I'm looking for, I wanna get a Completely separate dedicated .22lr Ar15, such as this ( DPMS Panther AP-4 .22LR Training Rifle ) i can deal with the removable top handle, which i do not like and mine does not have, but i cannot seem to find one of these .22lr DPMS rifles anywhere.

    To answer any questions why a separate .22 rifle, 3 reasons:
    1. because I'll be training pretty hard and dont wanna wear out my 5.56mm before it needs to be
    2. the conversion kits are generally more prone to jamming and less accurate than the dedicated rifles.
    3. both can be used at the same time.
     
  3. WoodysKJ

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  4. JonM

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    my opinion.

    as for your points:

    1. you wont wear out a AR15 5.56 barrel shooting 22lr through it the bullet is very soft and low pressure so there is pretty much 0 wear.

    2. the cmmg kit is the most reliable 22lr ive ever come across if the box is marked 22LR it will cycle just fine with very good accuracy out to its max effective range of 100yds. compairing the CMMG conversion i have to the most reliable complete 22LR on the market, ruger 10/22, i would give the nod to the cmmg 22LR conversion. the ciener and atchisson models look similar but they do not function nearly as good as the CMMG.

    3. save yourself a ton of bucks and just make a dedicated upper. if you feel the need for a total second rifle you can buy the lower later.
     
  5. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    I wasn't refering to wearing out the barrel, just the wear and tear of hard training. I've already gone through two recoil spring tubes and one adjustable stock, and each time the weapon was down for at least 2 weeks.

    I agree that the Cmmg are awesome compared to others on the market. I have one, but.....

    I'm looking just to get a good Clone of the rifle i have in 5.56mm, not convert the one i have, cuz i can do that already. The idea of building my own is not a bad one, just hoping there is one already with the same layout, since it is a fairly basic layout without my accessories.
     
  6. mjkeat

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    Who was the manufacture of these worn out parts? How many rounds did you go through to wear them out? And where are you ordering your parts that its taking two weeks to get them running again?
     
  7. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    not just shooting.
    A stock and spring tube was ruined when a vehicle door was slammed on it during a dismounting exercise. poof, instant m4 club. did the rest of the drill with my .45. it was a DPMS panther stock collapsible stock, but it wasn't a design flaw, just a hard hit by a car door. crap happens, ordered another from DPMS. shipping time and then free time to install was a little under 2 weeks.

    another spring tube was ruined when a moron friend of mine decided to toss it over a pile of cinder blocks. I decided too see how far i could throw HIM. had to wait for him to order another stock.

    as for my ar15, ive fired thousands of rounds of 5.56, .223, and .22lr with little to no wear of the internal parts, but i was looking for a good clone for training because, well..... crap happens. and it would be better for crap to happen to a cheap(er) rifle than my AR15, and then if it did, i could still use my ar while the other is being repaired.
     
  8. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    looking at this here, i could do well making a .22 upper and i have a dealer here that is selling lowers CHEAP. $120 plus $75 for a parts kit and collapsible stock from dpms, just like mine.
    still looking at finding a complete rifle, to see if would be cheaper, while i weigh my options.
     
  9. Quentin

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    Well if you want a dedicated .22 M4 clone I bought one of the Colt/Walther/Umarex M4 .22lrs and it's very much like an M4, even weighs about 6 pounds and does come with a removable carry handle. The bad thing is the selector lever, forward assist and external BHO don't function exactly like a real M4. The S&W version doesn't look as much like the M4 but the selector and BHO work the same. It is much lighter.

    Anyway, I've had excellent luck with the Colt and it was $459. I've seen it for $399 since. The S&W can be found for less.
     
  10. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    Ive seen the colts as well. can you elaborate on the differences in operation? i figured the forward assist and slide stop wont be the same, but what is diffrent with the selector?
     
  11. Quentin

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    Fire and safe are 180 degrees apart instead of the normal 90. Not a big deal but if you're using for training it could be annoying. If the selector is pointing straight up the rifle won't fire, it's still on safe until you spin all the way around to where burst/auto is on an M16.
     
  12. BWGRP

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    I recently purchased a S&W MP15-22, the gun is made out of poly and has steel in all the important places. Its a great gun, very accurate. The charging handle is real and the safety and mag release are the same as my AR. This is a great gun for the money. Oh yea break down is the same also, same two pins and the BCG comes out the same. The BCG design is different buts that expected.
     
  13. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    Ok, good info on both the S&W and Colt. Here is where i get picky.

    Cosmeticly, the Colt .22lr M4 is the closest rifle to mine with only 3 diffrences:
    1. the carry handle is removable, which is ok. not picky there.
    2. the stock is standard m4 6 pos colapsable. ok as well, close enough, wont even replace.
    3. the magazine seems to be a little long for the 30 rounders, close to the 40 rd 5.56 mags. this will be annoying, but still fine.

    The S&W is a little cheaper around here, not by much, but i would have to do the most modifications to make it a clone.
    1. install carry handle
    2. install standard handgaurd (i dont like full length quad rails, since i dount use but 2 max)
    3. Add a regular a2 front sight post.
    i dont even know if # 2 & 3 can be done on a M&P. anyone have info on this?
    a big plus is the cost of mags. $18.99 compared to the colt's $29.99 and they are standard ar15 30 round size, even though they hold 25.

    So far, im leaning to the Colt.
    Colt M4 Carbine | .22 Tactical Rimfire Long Rifle | Look & Feel of an M4 .22
     
  14. Quentin

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  15. russ

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    I bought just the upper for $325 and put it on a spare lower I had. And the Black Dog 50rd. drum is fun on a bun.
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    Last edited: Apr 15, 2011
  16. mjkeat

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    I have the CMMG dedicated as well. Its a decent .22lr
     
  17. mausersurgeon

    mausersurgeon New Member

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    hmmm.... ok, now deciding on the colt, which is still very nice, or the CMMG. the real diffrence for me would be, besides cost, is the controls and mags.
    the colt's controls are very close, but have a few diffrences.
    the cmmg's controls are spot on.
    the colt mags are 29.99, 30 rds and longer
    the cmmg mags are 19.99, 25 rds and same size.
    the colt costs around $399, local
    MSRP on the cmmg is $650. cmmg says they have discounts for FFL holders, but not listed on the websites. wonder if this is a good discount or not. have to contact them on that. (Heck, i only paid $663.50 for my 5.56mm, so this would be a HUGE jump in price there is no discount.)