M95 Steyr Mannlicher Carbine

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by texaswoodworker, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I was looking around on the web today, and saw some M95 Steyr Mannlicher Carbines for sale for $110. My question is, how good are they? Their cheap like a Mosin (ammo in over $1.00 per round though), so why haven't I heard much about them around here (compared to the Mosin)? :confused:
     

  2. tdperry

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    I had two of them, but have gotten rid of them since I'm into black powder now. Hornady and Priv Partizan make factory ammo for it, and Priv Partizan makes the empty casings (I bought mine through Graf's and Sons, as well as the boolits). Lee makes a set of dies for them (and they are not that expensive - I got mine off of Fleabay). They were a hoot to shoot, and made a fantastic woods gun (both of mine were surprisingly accurate). The main problem is with the ejector becoming weak/breaking, and finding parts for them can be problematic. There are a couple of places out on the web that sells the parts and you can do a google search to find them. One of the places I frequently used was https://www.buymilsurp.com/rifle-parts-accessories-steyr-m95-8x56r-c-3548_2083.html
    I really liked mine (the straight pull is what caused me to end up getting two Swiss K-31's). I have gotten rid of all my C&R rifles and have purchased several muzzle loaders and all the stuff that goes with them.
     
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  3. m72law

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    Buy one,reload (reduced charge) for it.

    Those things kick like a mule!!! w/surplus ammo or full powder loads,alot more kick then my 50BMG:D

    The price of ammo plays a big factor in m95 vs mosin surplus rifles
     
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  4. JonM

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    its the price of and ready supply of surplus ammo that makes mosin popular. for every mosin the soviets made they also made about 70billion rounds to go with each one. since the 7.62x54r is still an active service cartridge today the supply isnt very likely to dry up as the soviets are rotating out their stockpiles
     
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  5. texaswoodworker

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    Thanks for the info, If I get one, I will definitely look into reloading for it.

    Ouch. :D Why do they kick so hard? Is the 8x56R just a really hot round?

    Well, that's good news for my Mosin.:D I did have a hard time actually finding a place that had the 8x56R ammo in stock, so I guess I would have to reload for it.
     
  6. m72law

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    my guess, to why they have such a nasty recoil is the 200+gr bullet loaded to max charge..in a very light package?:cool:

    the first time i shot one of these M95 rifles,i was told ''it has the recoil of a 12ga birdshot round'' (B.S.!!!) when i squeezed off that first round,the aftermath was = i had to check my undies :eek: i purchased this rifle from the same A-hole,along wiht 2000rds of nazi stamped ammo :/

    nothing wrong with owning a few M95's,i do...but i'd rather PEE off my neighboros with A fifty than have to RUB icey hot on my shoulder & change my underwear.;) it happens though :)
     
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  7. JonM

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    short barrel. im not sure why it is but thats how it works. the shorter the barrel the more felt recoil. prolly some physicsy sciency explanation but i have no idea why
     
  8. m72law

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    TEX, if your a bigger build of a avg. size man,you can shoot these rifles all day long!:p

    my father-n-law,came by shortly after purchasing my first M95 & wanted to try out the new tool.

    he's 6'1'' 225lbs/57 years old & shot this rifle like it was a 12ga w/bird shot.:(

    i'm 5'10'' 207lbs/36 years old & shot this rifle like it was a 25mm bushmaster:eek:

    the sad part for me is..he hit the styro-target (pie plate) @ 300yrds'standing.1rd;)

    I couldnt come close to it @ the same-prone /w 5rds:eek:

    my excuess=that A-HOLE that didnt tell me to ''hold on to it'' M95=flintchers!!!
     
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  9. texaswoodworker

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    It may be because a short barrel is lighter then a long barrel.

    I'm 6 ft, and 12 ga magnum didn't seem to bother me too much (my shoulder was a little sore after a few rounds of it though :D), so I should be able to handle it.
    It seems like a pretty cool gun for $100. There are a few other guns that I was wanting to look into getting (SKS, Yugo Mauser, Ruger 10/22, and I was looking into a 9mm Hi Point Carbine), but money is tight for me, and you can't beat $100. :D (I may try to get the 10/22 if I can find one pretty cheap)
    I was also looking into getting a Tula Nagant Revolver to match my Mosin, but I would have to either find one locally and get it in a private sell, or have it gifted to me. (Dang federal laws. I think the 21 for hand guns thing is BS)
     
  10. m72law

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    cant go wrong w/any $100 rifle:)

    i've reloaded a few rds. for this cal. & its a puzzycat when loaded a lil on the soft side ;) but those mil-surplus rds are just NASTY!!!

    these rifles want be around as long as the mosins...grab one while you can...& WTHeck do you mean by(federal laws in Texas)OMG!!:eek: we are all DOOMED!!!
     
  11. texaswoodworker

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    LOL yeah,

    Yep, the federal laws suck. They say I can't buy a hand gun from a store, but state laws says I can buy one through a private sell, or have it gifted to me. Basically, it is a PITA! :D
    I never really understood that law. I CAN go out and buy an AK-47 with a drum magazine, but I CAN'T buy a pistol, not even a .22. How does that make sense? :rolleyes: (and no, I am not complaining about being able to buy an AK :D)
     
  12. TheOldMan

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    :confused: Are you under 21 ?
     
  13. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I'll be 20 in August. Just one more year.:D
     
  14. canebrake

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    Newton said it best, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. MV = MV (mass times velocity equals mass times velocity)

    The principle factors that must be considered to calculate recoil are bullet weight (mass), bullet velocity, powder charge, and rifle weight (mass). The mass times the velocity of everything ejected from the muzzle of a rifle (principally the bullet and powder gasses) will be equaled by the mass times the velocity of the recoiling rifle.

    Kick (Recoil) is generally expressed in foot-pounds of energy. Recoil over 20 ft. lbs. will cause the average shooter to flinch. About 15 ft. lbs. is the threshold of an average shooter's comfort level.

    Rifle mass (weight) is a contributing factor of the recoil delivered to the shooter. Here are some examples:


    • .300 WSM (180 grain, MV 2950 fps), 6.5 lb. rifle = 30.8 ft. lbs.
    • .300 WSM (180 grain, MV 2950 fps), 8.5 lb. rifle = 23.6 ft. lbs.
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    • .45-70 (300 grain, MV 1900 fps), 7.0 lb. rifle = 26.6 ft. lbs.
    • .45-70 (300 grain, MV 1900 fps), 8.5 lb. rifle = 21.9 ft. lbs.

    Not sure what the M95 you're looking at is chambered in? (8x50R, 8x56R or even the 7.92x57 Mauser) But it doesn't matter, I could not find recoil data on any of them.

    If you have the info, plug it in;

    Beartooth Bullets Recoil Calculator
     
  15. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Wow i didnt think that little bit of change in weight would have such a large effect in pounds of recoil!!
     
  16. canebrake

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    That's why I never put much weight (no pun intended) in a statement like "all 45-70's have too much kick."

    This gun weight variable would be conspicuous if you compared shooting my daughter's LCP with Wind's new P238. I'm sure the difference would be remarkable.
     
  17. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Cane, you just made that sound simple. Thanks, I'll have to remember that.
     
  18. JTJ

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    Stock and grip design play a big part in "felt" recoil. A poorly fitted stock or grip will increase the felt recoil because it does not distribute the recoil force properly.
     
  19. JonM

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    i know the difference in gun size makes a diff in felt recoil i just didnt think it was radical like that. i guess im going to order some of those handguard weights from rra for my national match rifle. that rifle shouldnt move at al lol