M4 Carbon 15 or Mini 30

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by Ruger703, Mar 9, 2012.

  1. Ruger703

    Ruger703 New Member

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    Looking to hopefully purchase the Mini 30 or the M4 at the next gun show in April. I was just seeing if I could get some feedback on either gun? Thoughts, pros/cons? What's a good price I should be looking for?
     
  2. mjkeat

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    Neither. I'll elaborate when I get to a computer, my battery is about dead.


    Why a gun show? All I see at gun shows is a bunch of low end crap that someone has attached more low end crap to and marked up to rediculous prices.

    Example: I saw a $1300 DPMS w/ a bunch of UTG crap mounted all over it. Have you heard the saying, you can't polish a turd? Well this was a case of, you can't polish a turd with fecal matter.

    What you're willing to spend is more important than what price you should be looking for. Give us a price cap and I bet you'll be better off than roaming the gun show w/ a fist full of cash.
     
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  3. Ruger703

    Ruger703 New Member

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    Well I was hoping to stay between $850-900 if possible... But willing to go a little higher. What rifle would you suggest? This would be my first rifle.
     
  4. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If your are careful and dont go for bling, you can pick up some good buys a gun shows. You can also get taken. Always carry a bore light and maybe a magnifying glass if you are looking used. I have a Mini 30 and I like it. Dont look for AR accuracy but it is more accurate than the AK I had. I also have a DPMS and it has been accurate and reliable. Even shoots Wolf with no problem. Not high end but very serviceable. I dont have a lot of junk on mine. Tac light and scope is all. I throw on a bipod when I need it. They are 2 different animals. You have to list your wants and needs and figure out which fits them best.
     
  5. Ruger703

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    Any other rifles or possibly shot guns I should be looking for? Looking for home protection and fun at the range. I.E the M4
     
  6. mjkeat

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    The $900 range will get you a BCM. One of the best in the mind of many.
     
  7. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Rock River Arms would be in that group as well. Probably would have bought one for my b-day in January, but wanted to get that Ruger as well. So I built my own for around $650.
     
  8. mjkeat

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    True which strengthens the recommendation for BCM.
     
  9. Cattledog

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    I hadn't heard anyone outright bash the carbon 15 yet. Don't do it....just don't. I'm gonna put on my "AR snob" hat and say that a poly/nylon whatever lower receiver on an AR is a bad idea. That said, You can get alot of AR for the -$900.00 range. Just be patient and do your homework.
     
  10. mjkeat

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    There's instances on this very forum of blown up carbon 15s.

    It's not so much the lower as it is the upper and the manufacture.

    A quality $900 AR is an all day everyday thing. Spikes, BCM, Colt, LMT, and so on.
     
  11. Quentin

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    Why did you decide on the Mini 30 vs. M4gery? I'd first choose the caliber I really wanted before going further.
     
  12. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I saw nothing about the Mini-30. I saw Mini-14.

    As stated, the Carbon 15 is not the best choice. They have had some issues.

    Please do not buy into the "M-4" name. An M-4 is a machine gun with a 14.5" barrel. An AR pattern carbine with a 16" barrel and a grenade launcher step is NOT an M-4. You can call it an M-forgery if you wish.

    Gun shows have become poor choices for gun purchases. Too many unscrupulous DB's marketing entry level and airsoft quality parts presented as first rate guns at first rate guns.

    Do your homework and either build one yourself or find a reputable local gun store (LGS) to deal with.
     
  13. Quentin

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    RC, I was going by his post, maybe he meant Mini-14
     
  14. Ruger703

    Ruger703 New Member

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    No the mini 30 by Ruger.
     
  15. locutus

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    I would choose any AR platform over the Mini-30.
     
  16. Ruger703

    Ruger703 New Member

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    Cool, I'll have to do my research
     
  17. hawkguy

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    i have never owned a mini 30 or shot one. seems if i was going that calibre i might just go the AK route. i don't know the truth of it, but there are whispers that the mini 30 won't reliably shoot the surplus and steel cased ammo.

    however, i do own a mini 14 (5.56). it has been a great little gun and i would recommend it highly. in my limited experience shooting AR's and shooting next them, it holds its own.

    AR's are a good choice as well, i would think. just think about what you want this rifle to loook like & what you will be doing with it. its intended purpose and your expectations make a huge difference.
     
  18. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The big drawback of the Mini-30 is magazines. Factory high caps are more scarce than the proverbial hen's teeth. Few aftermarket mags work at all. I am not a big fan of the Ruger Self Loaders. They have come a LONG way of late. I might consider a Mini-14 as Ruger has one a lot to improve them and since Bill Ruger's passing, 20 rd mags are available.

    An AR is twice the gun (IMHO) for less than twice the price.
     
  19. Clem

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    As a matter of personal preference I prefer the SIG 556 series over the AR-15 series. As much as I don’t particularly care for the 5.56mm round, it is ubiquitous and so are the AR-15 mags, so live with it. Get what you want that takes those two. The SIG 556 does. If I get a 7.62x39, it will be a 556R or perhaps a Mini-30.
     
  20. Quentin

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    I can't follow your reasoning, you say don't get an AR, get something else but make sure it uses the 5.56 round and AR magazines because they're ubiquitous. Then you reverse logic and say you would buy a something that uses 7.62x39 (a good choice) but doesn't use the ubiquitous AK style magazine.

    I would say if you're going 5.56x45 get a good AR which is ubiquitous along with its magazines and if you're going 7.62x39 get the AK and its magazines. Oh yeah, that's exactly what I did! :D