M1A vs AR-10...

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Yunus, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    Here's the skinny. You have roughly $2000 to spend. Your ONLY choices are an M1A or an AR-10(or AR-10 variant), brand or other specs are up to you. Specific criteria is to build the most accurate rifle @ 200 yards.
    Most shooting will be done from a bench position but I would prefer not to have a rifle that is to heavy to reliably shoot from the standing position.
    Scope is fine, ACOG would be great but unrealistic in that price range.

    What do you choose and why?
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    not a huge fan of semi-auto .308 but i would go with m1a parts are far more common with interchangable parts. ar10 are manufacturer specific. ar10 breaks you gotta hope the original manufacturer still has parts. iron sights are sufficient out to 300+ any scope is more than capabale at 200 yards long as it can withstan recoil. the ar beats the m1a in scope mounting options.

    for anything past 200yds i prefer a bolt gun.
     

  3. kenhesr

    kenhesr New Member

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    I shoot both, so I guess I would relate to your post more as which one would I keep? Very tough question!

    They both have their advantages and drawbacks. Neither are my long range go-to rifles. If I can hit a 5 gallon bucket everytime at 400 yds, I'm good to go with them. Most all of my rifle shooting is from a bench off bags so I do favor high power magnification in my scopes, can't hit what you can't see.

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    My M1As are SA & the AR-10 is Armalite, all have lifetime warranties, equal on that point. The AR-10 is more ammo and mag sensitive than the M1A, but like JonM noted it's easier & cheaper, (cost of a quality mount) to scope.

    If I could only have one, I'd have to keep the M1A due to reliability ONLY. In my experience, right from the box, the AR-10 has a slight edge in accuracy over the standard M1A. But I've never had a jam with my SAs, guess they win! This is all JMHO, I'm sure others will have their own ideas. Good Post!
     
  4. M14sRock

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    I like the AR-10's but love the M14's.

    The accuracy difference is academic to me. The limitation is the caliber. Either rifle will hit any necessary target out past the effective range of the .308/7.62x51 round. So 5/8 MOA vs. 1/2 MOA doesn't matter in a practical sense.

    Check out the LRB rifles M14 Rifle.

    $2,000 won't cover the cost of entry, but it is a nice start. Get the M25 if you plan on mounting a scope.
     
  5. YoungGunWill

    YoungGunWill New Member

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    Well I like the M1a, but its a 3MOA rifle...so Id drop in a J. Allen stock. 200 yrds and she'll be a tack driver
     
  6. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    I have a several M14's and none are 3MOA rifles.

    But a JAE stock will cut group sizes in half.
     
  7. masterPsmith

    masterPsmith New Member

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    M1A, the only way to go IMHO.....I'm old school anyway........

    Jim..........
     
  8. Troy Michalik

    Troy Michalik Is it Friday yet? Supporter

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    One more vote for the M1A. No other compelling reasons to add above those already stated here.

    Yes I do have one. I've had it since '97 and have never ever had any problem with it.
     
  9. Dillinger

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    Sweet. Thanks Dad! :)

    Bummer. I can work with it. But is there a reason I only get to choose from those two? What is the long term application needed that a bolt gun with an external magazine would not cover?

    Most accurate is going to be neither. The AR is going to be more accurate & allegedly less reliable. The Piston AR is going to be more reliable and less accurate. The dog leg op rod M1A is going to be most reliable, lacking the most accuracy in it's basic out of the box configuration.
    Ah hell. Now I have to put together a build list with someone else's money? :eek: Oh Okay..... :D
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Here you go Yunus. This was just playing around with what I could find on the 'net that wasn't junk, gave you a nice, accurate, name brand upper and EDIT: Barely blew your budget. EDIT

    Lower Receiver Parts Kit: AR-10 ($75.00)
    http://www.shadez-of-gray.com/servlet/the-478/DPMS-AR-dsh-10-.308-Lower/Detail

    Tactical Machining Lower - Billet: ($200.00)
    http://www.tacticalmachining.com/products.php?pid=41#images/372_247-308-lower-final.jpg

    A2 Stock ( with hardware ): ($85.00)
    http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=EA6050G

    Noveske Upper ( complete with BCG ): ($1695.00)
    http://riflegear.com/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=463&SEName=noveske-n6-21-heavy-762mm-ar-10-upper

    Now, some of the stuff is out of stock. That is to be expected, but this gives you an idea of what is available in your price range if you want to go the build route.

    Cheers!

    JD
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2010
  11. Yunus

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    Thanks for the advice all. Sounds like AR would be the better choice for me. As to why only those 2 as an option, I guess I shouldn't limit myself like that but I want to stay in the .308 caliber and I like the look of both of those rifles.
     
  12. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    If it was me, I'd get the M1A.
    Not saying anything bad about the AR-10, thats just how I roll:cool:
     
  13. M14sRock

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    Yunus, if you decide on the AR10 check out LaRue Tactical. Not $2,000, but that is a good start. I have thought about getting one, but hate the idea of adding a new platform. One of my friends has an LRB M25 as well as a POF Piston .308 and another AR10 type. He does not shoot one better than either of the others.

    And my M25 shoots fairly well, however.

    Here is the first 5 shot group fired after dropping it into a JAE Gen2 stock.
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    Ammo was Black Hills Match, 168gr and the group was fired fairly fast (in about 20 seconds?). This type of accuracy won't win you any technical competitions, but it will hit any reasonable target out to beyond the effective range of the .308Win round.

    I used this rifle and ammo combo in a two day precision long range rifle class a couple of years ago and it held its own against some very nice bolt guns, including a GAP 700 in .308. The 168 showed it's limitations after 900, but it was sufficient at 1,000. All targets were 24"x24" steel plates, out to 1200.

    Get which ever one you like best, and know they will both do the job.
     
  14. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    A group like that is great accuracy. I'm not into competitions or anything, I just want to hit where I'm aiming and 5 shots into a quarter @ 100 yards is plenty accurate for me.

    This kind of all started because my friend is getting a POF 308 and I'm jealous. I introduced him to the brand and now he has their 223 and 308 and I still don't have either. I just can't justify the price, they are wonderful looking guns and very easy to clean as well. Easy to clean is something I value more than most, I guess it's laziness but I loath cleaning my guns.
     
  15. M14sRock

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    My buddy's POF is plenty accurate. He has an ACOG on it and it is awesome. He thinks it kicks much more than his M25, but I don't think it does. Feels fine to me.

    Get an AR10 platform that can use the PMags, which I believe the POF can do. The DPMS mags suck. Half of them that I have tried are un-reliable.
     
  16. Dgunsmith

    Dgunsmith New Member

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    Wait until next month ....the Les Baer 308 is coming out !

    Better trigger, better accuracy and ultimate reliability....see how it performs !
     
  17. 753X0

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    well, I own both. I'll let you decide.

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    Or an accuracy Speaks M1-A
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  18. Txhillbilly

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    You did leave out another rifle that fits in this group.The FNH USA-FNAR Rifle

    FNAR 7.62x51mm Rifles

    I have shot one of these and I really liked it.I like M1A's,but if I was to buy a semi-auto 308 it would probably be a FNH-FNAR. To me it's like having some of the best qualities of both the M1A & AR10 in one rifle.
     
  19. BudW

    BudW New Member

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    There is a reason the Army uses the m1a
     
  20. Hot Sauce NARC

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    I believe that the army now uses an AR-10 varient (the Knight Armament M-110) more extensivly than the M1a, which is only used by certian special forces.