M1917 Receiver Notch

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Sampleman, Apr 13, 2010.

  1. Sampleman

    Sampleman New Member

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    I have just acquired an M1917.:) It is in great condition in original bluing. It does not have any signs of sporterizing. However, it has a top notch in the receiver, which I can't explain. I am NOT referring to the side ejection notch. This is a rounded notch, just like you see in the Commission 88s that have been rearsenelled to the "S" longer cartridges. Its a Remington rifle and the notch has the same bluing as the rest of the rifle. The sharp markings indicate that the rifle has not been refinished, and the bluing indicates that it was not rearsenelled for WWII.

    I've read three possibilities for this notch:
    - Sporterized for longer magnum cartridge.
    - Government mod for .22LR training adapter.
    - Pederson MkII device modification (apparantly planned for the M1917)

    The former seems odd, given the pristine nature of the rest of the receiver and what appears to be original bluing (has 30-06 barrel). Has a numbered stock (oddly for US gun) that matches receiver.

    I can't find anything on the .22LR adapter, and I'm doubtful of the authenticity of the third.

    There was also a statment that the Norwegians might have gotten gung ho about notching their 98k Mausers for 30-06 and notched a few of their M1917s. I don't think that's likely at all.

    Does anyone have an idea?

    Sorry I don't have a photo right now.
     
  2. cpttango30

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    If that notch is on the left side of the action towards the back of the action that was to help in loading the weapon with a striper clip. you would place the striper clip in the u shaped notch on the top in front of the rear sight and take you left thumb and press on the top of 5 30-06 cartridges and they would be pushed into the mag in one fast motion.
     

  3. Sampleman

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    Forward top of receiver

    Thanks, but its not the clip guide. This notch is at the front-top of the receiver. Its identical to the type of notches cut in older Mausers and Commission 88s, when they went to the longer "S" cartridge.
     
  4. cpttango30

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    Is the notch cut here on the top?

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  5. Sampleman

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    Yes, precisely. It is exactly at the 12 o'clock position, as if cut to allow longer cartridges. However, this doesn't make sense to me, as the magazine isn't long enough to take longer cartridges. It is cut at the same depth as the side ejection notch.
     
  6. Sampleman

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    It looks like this Mauser receiver, except the notch isn't as wide.
     
  7. cpttango30

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    More than likely it was jut relieved to provide more space for longer bullets.
     
  8. Sampleman

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    Well, that is all I can think of, but it is extremely well done and the bluing matches, making me think it was done by the arsenal.

    It is odd that someone would cut the receiver to take a longer cartridge (like .300 H&H), but do nothing else to the rifle. The stock has matching numbers to the receiver.

    Of course, someone may have done a fantastic job of reconstructing a modified rifle to the near original.
     
  9. Dcomf

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    It is more than likely a Lend_Lease that went through Canada to the Danes. Several theories abound on the notch in the receiver. One is it was done to clear longer ammo being loaded. Or it may have been a way to tell the rifle used 30/06 versus 303 Brit. Another is they went through Norway first and they notched them to accept a different clip loading system. Take your pick of conspiracy theories. Are there any markings to indicate it was Lend-Lease?
     
  10. davemccarthy707

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    Bingo. I think it was done by the Danes If I recall correctly.
     
  11. Dcomf

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    Doesn't really follow though. Why wasn't the cartridge well increased in length if they used longer bullets? Unless they single loaded which doesn't make sense either. More than likely it was an indicator it was chambered for 06 and not 303 since these rifles probably went through Canada or one of the other countries that used 303.
     
  12. davemccarthy707

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    It would have a c-broad arrow stamp and there would be a red band painted around the stock to be Canadian or British.
     
  13. TXnorton

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    Neither the .303 P-14 or the .30-06 Model of 1917 Eddystones available at my local toy store have such a notch in their receivers.

    Note, I will be owning one of these sometime this year!

    Would the OP could post an actual picture?

    Collectors Firearms
     
  14. Dcomf

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    Since the OP mentions a serialized stock it is definitely a Lend/Lease. The bolt should be numbered also. As to what country we would need to know if there are any acceptance stamps or such. The paint can wear off or be stripped off by anyone. I believe the Dane rifles were L/L from Canada that may have gone through Norway first. Not all Canadian rifles were marked with the crows foot.
     
  15. Dcomf

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    If the 303 vs 30-06 theory is true then the P14 definitely wouldn't have it. The 1917 may not have it because it was never L/L.
     
  16. Sampleman

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    The rifle is not a Savage marked "United States Property" for British Lend Lease. I was unaware that the rifles had been provided to Denmark (I presume post-war). The serial number on the stock was a head scratcher for me though, as it is European practice, not U.S. Notching the receiver seems like a very expensive way of marking the rifle, vice the color system that the Brits used. But reality isn't always logical. I will try to get some actual pictures of the rifle up on this site. Thanks a lot for your input.
     
  17. Sampleman

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    Neither appear on the rifle, I'll try to get photos up this week.
     
  18. radtech

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    US Rifle M1917

    Theory is that some of the early 1917 receivers were notched because for a very short time the factories were building both the P-14 and the 1917 receivers at the same time so the 1917's were notched so they could be quickly identified.


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