M14/M1A or AR15

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by Nake48, Sep 6, 2010.

  1. Nake48

    Nake48 New Member

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    Here are my picks. This will mainly be used for longer range at least up too 300 or 400 yards. Maybe for hunting but also for range shooting, either one would use a scope at least at 4x both semi-auto. Ammo price doesn't seem nearly that bad for the difference of .308/7.62 x 51mm or .223/5.56mm
    The main difference I have noticed are AR15's are significantly cheaper than M1A's but I am leaning towards an M1A because it could be used at semi-long range and a lot further ranges. Also the difference between AR 15's and newer M14/M1A's particularly the SOCOM's and the SOCOM II's besides the ridiculous amount of modifications you can put on AR's and M14/M1A's picks? Choices? I love my .22 semi-auto to death, but I wanted a larger caliber that is semi-auto and ammo (even for how much it is now) that won't break the bank.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Quentin

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    If you decide to go with .308 you might look at AR-10s and clones too.

    IMO I'd go with a good AR in 5.56. Definitely cheaper for the rifle and ammo, and does fine out to 400 yards.
     
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  3. mach1337

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    personally for 300+ i would go m1a or socom 2. i love they way they look and they are amazing rifles.

    i personally am buildin a ar-15 right now for 150 yards and closer. but i will definatly be buying or building a m1a for the longer ranges and hunting purposes. just my .02
     
  4. M14sRock

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    No comparison. M14.

    AR's are great, but if you will be using it at 300-400 regularly the M14 is the better choice.

    The Socom is awesome, and easily capable of 500-600, BTW.
     
  5. Nake48

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    Is there a huge difference between SOCOM and SOCOM II? Besides the price. I haven't seen a big one yet not in terms of barrel length or different type of barrel, etc...?
     
  6. M14sRock

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    The "Deuce" comes with the rails. That is the only dif.

    I prefer the Soc to the Deuce. Heavy enough already. And the Soc has the short forward rail mounted as well.
     
  7. Nake48

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    What would you say a reasonable price is for a decent m14 or new? I have seen the range of $900 (for an older one) and $2000 for the new SOCOM II which I probably wont get. I will most likely get a SOCOM as long as I can get a scope on it.
     
  8. M14sRock

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    Prices are all over the place. Look for one that has a high "USGI Parts Count".

    All Springfield Armory M1A's come with a no strings lifetime guarantee, so they are a good bet. But the Cadillac of M14's is made my LRB Arms.

    Best bang for the buck will be Armscorp or a GOOD (USGI) Federal Ordnance.

    SAI is the only one currently doing a 16" and that is the Socom. Plan on spending $1500 to $2000. Buy a couple of spare USGI extractors (Or Beretta). M1 Garand extractors are cheap, and work fine.
     
  9. Nake48

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    Then there is no need for a longer barrel than 16" I am guessing since there are SOCOM's that were made a little bit larger, but the need for more velocity is probably minimal with a longer barrel and they are heavy enough as you said. Another thing is I saw older wooden ones, not fired at all, but they just had an older look to them, made purely from wood and had longer barrels. I don't have any picture with me, the only difference was it had a wooden stock and one rail on the top unlike the SOCOM, and other models. Is there a real difference between these? I will look for some LRB's and SAI's I want my first M14/M1A to be pretty good and top quality. I have never owned a larger semi-auto what exactly do the extractor pins do? Or what are they for?
     
  10. M14sRock

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    It depends on what you want to do with it. The 16" is fine or most applications, frankly.

    18.5" and 22" are for longer ranges. But the 16" will get you to 500 with room to spare.

    What do you want to do with it? If it is to cross the lines between a rifle and carbine, the Soc does it very well..
     
  11. Nake48

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    Yeah that is basically what I wanted, is a cross between a rifle and a carbine. Would the longer barrel really make that big of a difference in range though? I am placing bets on the Soc though, it's probably what I will go for.
     
  12. Squirrel_Slayer

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    My AR15 has a twenty four inch barrel with a 1:8 twist so it shoots some heavier .223 rounds, and I am willing to put money on it that it will shoot pretty accurately past 400 yards. I am ecstatic with it so far. Alot cheaper than a Socom. My .02$
     
  13. Joshua M. Smith

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    The .223/5.56x45 (yes, I know there's a slight difference) was designed for use on man sized targets inside of 200 yards, 300 being about max for anti-personnel use on a 200lb man.

    On the other hand, the 7.62x51 was made to be effective out to around 1000 yards, being a slightly shortened version of the .30-'06, which came from a time when popular war knowledge had folks regularly engaging enemies out to 500+ yards, and 200 yards was considered the range at which one affixed bayonets.

    "Use enough gun" always applies.

    Josh
     
  14. M14sRock

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    Not a big dif in the 500-600 range. Get the Soc. If you plan on 800-1000, get a full length 22".
     
  15. Nake48

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    After looking around for a good m14/m1a I found that there are barely if any at all good m1a's in my city, I can't find any USGI makes. They all seem to be made by springfield armory apparently scheels and cabela's must have some deal with them, and they all seem to range about the same price as I previously saw ~1600-2000. Should I go with the SA series, and buy a new extractor since they aren't too expensive, or should I look harder for more choices from a place like gun broker. I would prefer new and get a slightly used extractor to replace the new one, or a USGI one, so the gun won't choke up on the cheaper 7.62x51mm rounds.
     
  16. M14sRock

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    You won't find a USGI receiver. They will all be commercial. But USGI parts are avail.

    Look on Gun Broker and you will see lots of choices. If you've seen Socoms for $1600, I'd say buy one. Find out if the Seller has the Throat Erosion and Muzzle wear measurements. The lower the number, the better.

    SAI makes a great product, but they have not managed to figure out how to mkae extractors. Hmm... Buy a couple of USGI, new or used, just in case.
     
  17. Nake48

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    Thanks a lot for the input. I will look for some receivers, and found they aren't too expensive, neither are extractors for that matter, so will people still have the throat erosion and muzzle wear measurement if the gun is new? I have read a few things about m14's yesterday and I just want to make sure that when I buy this gun that I get the best bang for my buck because they are a little pricey but well worth it, from what my other friends are saying that own a variant.
     
  18. M14sRock

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    If the rifle is new, the TE/MW will be anywhere from 0 to about 3, each. Don't sweat that if it is new.

    Buy an SAI Socom, and try it out. If it has any problems SAI will fix it for free and send it back. They even pay shipping both ways. Once you get it back it will run perfectly. That is a worst case scenario.

    You will LOVE that rifle.

    Get a set of Superior Shooting Systems chrome silicon springs, and a Sadlak NM spring guide. Buy the extractors, and maybe a spare USGI hammer and you should be set.
     
  19. Nake48

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    What type of scope would you suggest by the way? Since it's going to be some distance 5/600 more than a 4x presumably.
     
  20. M14sRock

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    I'd try a low powered variable. 1.5-6X ish. But a 4x EER would be fine, too. I was shooting squirrels out to almost 400 yards a while back and never put my scope above 6X, on my Savage .223. Quality is far more important than magnification.

    Look at the Basset Machine Low Picatinny mount. You won't beat it. SEI, Sadlak, McCann, SAI Gen4, Brookfield are all great mounts. But the Basset is 100% repeatable and costs $150.

    Avoid SAI Gen1,2&3. Avoid ProMag. Avoid all the cheap crap.