M1 Bayonets

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Bbull21, Jan 25, 2016.

  1. Bbull21

    Bbull21 New Member

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    Looking for some information on these two M1 (I Think) Bayonets.

    This ones looks to have a cartouche ?

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    Here is the second one:

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    Together:

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  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    someone abused the hell out of em. they are not worth much clean em up they are great utility knives. i have a number of both m4 and m7. much better bayonet than the m9 but no where as good as the m10.

    the m9 is a piece of junk the metal is soft. i kept my issue m9 in a baggie in oil in the bottom of my ruck and used an m7 i owned when i was active duty.

    my m7 ive opened cans pried stuff thrown it against trees uncountable times never broken the point. holds a decent edge too.
     
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  3. SRK97

    SRK97 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Are soldiers issued both knives and bayonets or just a bayonet?
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Depends on the job assignment and where you are. Bayonets are treated as weapons, same as a rifle or pistol, issued out, accounted for (and God help you if you lose a bayonet!)

    The Marines have their beloved K-bar, I have my Gerber Mk II. There are survival knives issued for use as a tool as much as a weapon- and there are knives for rescue crewmen intended to hack apart an aircraft.

    And then there is the MC 1 parachutist's rigging knife- a switchblade knife with a suspension line cutter.

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  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I had one of those. Someone paid me a bunch more than I had in it
     
  6. JonM

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    typically just a bayonet. it goes on a unit by unit commander by commander basis whether you can supplament your basic gear with personal items or not. most commands its a dont ask dont tell if you tote something other than or in addition to the issued gear.
     
  7. Bbull21

    Bbull21 New Member

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    Is it common for them to have a cartouche?
     
  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    The WW 2 design had a problem- the guard would crack where it had been cut for the blade. This was redesigned, and a new contract issued for the new design.

    The first contract was to the Turner Manufacturing Company of Statesville, North Carolina for 298,691 bayonets in 1954. They are marked U.S. M4 / TMN on the blade side of the lower guard. These have the post-1951 wider guard.

    The Department of Defense Acceptance Stamp (commonly called the DAS) is found on the handle side of the guard. This mark, for those not familiar with it, is a very stylized eagle with spread wings, and three stars over its head, all enclosed in a box. This was apparently first used in the mid-1950s and replaced the Ordnance Shell and Flame mark as a sign of US military acceptance and ownership. The mark continued to be used into the mid to late 1960s.
     
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    markings are set by the military and typically consist of but may not include nsn and will include model name all other marks are manufacturer marks and not dictated by the military. ww2 and korea era may include cartouches. cartouche markings went away as a military requirement after the korean war although some makers will use traditional cartouche markings.

    the purpose of cartouching was to track failures in gear of the same type which was created by various companies. so if a piece of gear had a lot of failures it was easy for units to replace or monitor such equipment for faults.

    during ww2 there were dozens of companies turning out gear, you can see how it would be hard to track who made what pre-computerized database era without a cartouche system.
     
  10. DNickerson

    DNickerson New Member

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    Bayonet

    Yeah those are M 1 carbine. I have one from a M 1 Garand. They are much
    longer. Take it out of the sheath and should be a year stamped on it along
    with proof marks. Google the proof marks for M 1 carbine and it will tell you
    everything. I'm in Florida right now, but when I get home I'll post a pic of
    it and proof marks. The marks will be down by the hilt.
     
  11. DNickerson

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    And by the way those markings MBA1 stands for Military Bayonet A1