M&P 15-22 vs Ruger SR-22

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by michigan0626, Jun 22, 2012.

  1. michigan0626

    michigan0626 New Member

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    Hello,

    A couple days ago me and the wife went shooting. I had bought her a Savage Edge in .223 a couple months ago and this is the first time we got to shoot it. It was the first time she ever shot a rifle. She was okay. At 25 yards for every 5 round magazine I would say her groupings were in the 2-3 inch range. She really enjoyed it. She shot 97 rounds, she was gracious enough to let me shoot the last 3. My grouping was probably around half an inch at 25 yards. This was the first time I had every shot a rifle with a scope. The good thing is is that she liked it. The bad thing is, she wanted me to find the nearest walmart to get more ammo for that day, and to find ammo for the following day. We drove an hour and a half to get to the range.

    So to satisfy her new found urges to shoot alot I started thinking about getting a .22 rifle for high round counts. $40 for 100 .223, or $150 for 5,000 .22LR. Thats 50x the ammo for only 4x the cost.


    I have always enjoyed shooting the M-16 in the Corps. So I thought about finding a dedicated AR 15 in 22LR. The only 2 I quickly found was the M&P 15-22 and the Ruger SR-22. My question for the experts is: Which one? Which one is more accurate, reliable? I like the fact that the M&P has a lot more models to choose from. On the flip side, the Ruger being made of metal is a pro. What are the pros and cons of each, and which would you choose and why?

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  2. sputnik1988

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    I would build an AR15 with a 22 upper, that way you can get a 5.56 (223) upper and shoot both.
     

  3. Sniper03

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    I believe she would be more than pleased with the M&P 15 in 22 cal. They are exceptional accurate even at longer ranges for the 22 cal round. And from experience shoot great groups. I know many who have them and say they are an excellent little rifle. I have shot several belonging to my friends and was very impressed. I would imagine that I will have to have one also in the future just to have one and shoot very inexpensively for fun. Bottom line is that I have never heard anything negative about them and only good comments. That is no doubt the way I would go! It would make her a great little rifle! And fun to shoot!

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  4. michigan0626

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    While a wild notion in my head, I said I enjoyed shooting my M-16 in the Marine Corps. So, on a whim I googled Colt M-16 22LR. So, I thing I am leaning towards the Colt Umarex M-16's. Of their 4 models, I think I would go with the basic Colt M-16 Rifle model. I knew I wanted the longer barrel version. So that left the M-16 Rifle and the M-16 SPR. I chose the Rifle over the SPR because it has standard iron sights. I am very familiar with those sights, so I would be able to teach my wife how to shoot without a scope. Plus, the carry handle is removable so I can add on a decent cheap scope just like I can with the SPR.

    So now my next dilema is with pistols. I am going to buy a Colt 1911. I was planning on buying the Nighthawk/Marvel 22LR conversion for it. After reading this Gunblast review, http://www.gunblast.com/Colt-1911-22.htm, I might be going with a dedicated Colt 22 1911. In the review, Jeff was able to get .5" groups at 25 yards. Thats 1 inch at 50. Nighthawk also guarantees 1 inch at 50. Why not keep the Colt brand strong.

    So that makes 3 Colts I hope to buy. So, for my actual rifle, I might go after that new Colt in .308. So now if they would only start making shotguns again I would have all bases covered.
     
  5. JonM

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    the M&P is the best 22lr external magazine auto loader out there. i dont say that about a lot of guns out there and im NOT a SW fan by any stretch, but they really got that rifle right. mags are cheap easy to find work damn well super easy to load. the 15-22 is very very accurate and accepts any after market trigger pack for a regular full size ar15. its a better gun than the colt restamped umarex. the colt doesnt function like a ar15 in regards to how the controls work. the M&P replicates the function of all the controls so you get good training using a very very similar laid out control system including bolt hold open on last shot and how the safety operates.

    the M&P is a no brainer in the 22LR choices out there. the version with the magpul furniture and sights is the best deal in the M&P 15-22 varieties.
     
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  6. rodent.22

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    I have the Colt/Umarex M4 OPS. A nice rifle. Can't tell by feel between it or a real AR. I also have a S&W 15/22P. Even though it's a polymer upper and lower it's a very good arm.
     

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  7. techiej

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    We have the M&P and have over 5,000 rounds through it without any failures -- gun or ammo. We also recently added a 50 round drum mag which is a lot of fun as well.
     
  8. Zombiegirl

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    I have both. I have a Smith & Wesson M & P 15-22 and a Ruger SR22. I love them both like the 15-22 better. I have better accuracy with it and it is more fun to shoot in my opinion. I also like the 25 round mag vs. 10.
     
  9. mrb1025

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    I agree. I bought my son the SW MP15-22 love it , very accurate and easy to use
     
  10. dan01

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    The Umarex Colt (Walther) C 4 22 cal carbine is a closer copy of the Colt type ARs 5.56.........The only polymer is the furniture......It is very accurate for what it is and very tough and reliable......

    The S&W M&P AR 15 C 4 Ops 22 cal carbine (same as 15 22 except that the barrel is shorter than The M&P 15 22)..........This is also a fine rifle and shoots very well......I have both, but favor the Colt........................................Note the differences in the attached photos...

    Went shooting on the hunting club with my son and grand kids today and probably put 3 to 4 hundred rounds thru them and my GSG AK 47 22 cal.....Probably another 2 hundred rounds thru several different cal pistols also.
     

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  11. dan01

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    This thread is titled "M&P vs Ruger SR-22"...I am sorry that I got so far off of the original subject...

    JonM..........Neither the Colt 22 cal and S&W M&P 22 cal have "controls" that are that close to the real thing.....The Colt is made closer to the real thing than the S&W (look at the ejection ports and lack of the dust cover on the S&W)...Also the S&W does not have the forward assist........They both have the bolt hold open on last shot......They both have easy to get magazines of various capacities and both will accept many of the same "tactical" accessories........I don't know about the drop in trigger packs????...........What is a "colt restamped umarex"?

    As I said in the earlier post, I have both the Colt and S&W with several magazines each and a few accessories.......I feel that both rifles are equal in quality and functionality and a good value for the prices........I have no experience with any of the other 22 cal AR look a likes so I have no comment on them.............I am familiar with the 5.56 ARs, but sold mine and my AK 47s........
     
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  12. sputnik1988

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    "Colt restamped Umarex" means Colt gave Umarex permission to put their name on it so they would sell more.

    Colt doesn't make them.

    Also, if someone wants an 22LR that is IDENTICAL to the real deal, why not just build an AR15 in 22LR?

    As for the S&W not having the same controls, what's different? The 15-22s have a bolt release, an AR charging handle and the same mag release. It has ALL the same controls.
     
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  13. dan01

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    My Colt is made by Walther in Germany and imported (marketed) by Umarex...This is stamped on the right side of the receiver.......I always understood that "controls" meant fire selectors and safeties.......The bolt hold, non functional forward assist, and mag release, ect are part of the rifles mechanism.....These look a like rifles are usually dedicated 22 cal rifles and do not completely resemble the real thing and in most cases they will not inter change with dedicated 5.56 military ARs.........

    Many people want to read too much into the name Colt, Smith&Wesson, and some of the other brand name AR type 22 cal rifles......They are just made to resemble not to completely duplicate the real thing regardless of who made them.

    Adding a 22 cal upper to a 5.56 AR is a very good idea if that is the way you want to roll.......I sold my Bushmaster and had no desire to shoot 22 cal through it.....I wanted a dedicated 22 cal design and will probably buy more varieties as they become available.......

    I no longer have the two AK 47s I kept and shot over ten years....My grand kids didn't like the loud noise and recoil plus the rising cost of the ammo......I bought the ATI GSG AK 47 22 cal look a like, but totally dedicated 22 cal.....This rifle looks like the real thing and shoots great.....One could also nit pick this rifle, but why do so knowing that it is a replica not a duplicate.
     
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  14. accessdenied01

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    Hk 22 long rifle version
     
  15. dan01

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    Please tell us more about your HK 22....How does it compare with the S&W M&P 15 22 and the Ruger SR 22 function and quality wise.
     
  16. accessdenied01

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    It's all made outta of metal and has actual HK parts (the buttstock and pistol grip are the same as they are on the MR556.) It's a nice metal quad rail with no burrs anywhere. The receiver is all metal and the pins are HK in style so they are easy to get out and break the gun down. Its an accurate gun and the barrel is cold hammer forged and manufactured by Walther. It has the ability to have large capacity mags (comes standard w/ a 20 round mag, but you can get 30 round mags). The sights are the same as the MR556 and they are solid and shoot well. It truly is a great gun, and while it's pricy it most definitely is worth it of you want a versatile 22. The M&P 22 is mostly plastic and doesn't really feel like a quality gun. The 10/22 is a fantastic gun with lots of aftermarket parts, but it doesn't really have the versatility of the AR platform.