Losing my Firearm Rights!

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by watzsee, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. watzsee

    watzsee New Member

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    I'll start by saying that I'm from Mt. Olive, New Jersey and I've been waiting to hear about about my handgun permit for about 2 months now. Today I received a phone call from the police saying there's problem with my application and I need to hand my firearms ID card in along with 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo. They said I should have never had received an ID in the first place that there was missing criminal information on the original application which there was but had been talked about later on by the officer in charge of the firearms division. So before I even got my firearm the officer had called me about this issue and it was resolved. About I week after talking about the missing criminal information I had received my firearm ID card thinking everything was fine. Now months later I have to hand over my firearm ID card and ammo plus I also have to have a FFL dealer return my handgun that was waiting for me to get my permit. On the handgun application I had put down the criminal information that was left out on the original application. Tomorrow I have to meet with the officer to hand in those items mentions above and he mentioned walking me through the appeal process.
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Welcome to FTF. That sucks. If it makes you feel any better I know a guy that got his fid and bought a g22 and then was denied by the feds and told he isn't allowed to have firearms. So on the state level he is good to go but on the federal level he is a no go. Basically the opposite of your issue from what I understand.
     
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  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Well, welcome to FTF, and good luck on the appeal.
     
  4. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    hmm i would just sell my ammo before turning it over for nothing.. but thats jut me.
     
  5. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Welcome to FTF.
    That does suck.
    Move to a freeer state or consult with an attorney familiar with these laws. Maybe another NJ member could recommend an attorney.
     
  6. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    Wow those are some tough gun laws glad I live in Texas :) good luck to you though man
     
  7. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    Welcome to FTF, thought I wish it was under better circumstances for you :(. You said you discussed the criminal record issues with someone. "there was missing criminal information on the original application which there was but had been talked about later on by the officer in charge of the firearms division." You should see if you can get in touch with that officer. He may be able to help you explain the situation in terms that the police who have the problem will understand. Often when ordinary civilians try to communicate with the cops there is a misunderstanding due to different terminology.

    The first officer seems to have evaluated your situation and decided that it really isn't a violation that should prevent your licensing. Perhaps he checked closer and found only a misdemeanor on your record whereas one of the immediate restrictions would be a felony conviction.

    But, also consider that NJ is one of the most difficult states to get a concealed carry permit in. NJ does not recognize any other states license. NJ is "may issue", which means it's all up to the discretion of the judge who evaluates your application.

    Good luck!
     
  8. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I would be thinking about moving. I would never live in a state where I had to get permision from law enfocement before I exercised my constitutional rights. Do you have to get permision to speak too? I feel anything beyond the instant background check is way beyond acceptable. I have never waited more than a couple hours to purchase a gun.
     
  9. TimKS

    TimKS Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Gather all your chit and move out of NJ. There is life out there..... :eek:
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Documentation....

    They should give you a receipt (include serial numbers, total number of rounds).

    Once this is over, get copies of everything!!!
     
  11. Flat Tire

    Flat Tire New Member

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    Do you have a criminal backround ? What is your age ? And yeah that ammo you have could have been sold.
     
  12. JeeperSC

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    To me it would raise a flag if you left out your criminal history, then they do a background check and criminal charges pop up.

    Were you convicted of a felony or domestic violence?
     
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  13. Rarity

    Rarity New Member

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    I'm sorry to hear that and all.
     
  14. watzsee

    watzsee New Member

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    Can I sell to anyone or just a Dealer
     
  15. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I would recommend bringing it to a dealer and making sure you get and keep the receipt.
     
  16. watzsee

    watzsee New Member

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    I have a simple assault charge on my record from 2002. What sucks the most about this is that when I got the call from police I was so excited because I thought my handgun permit was in. I never imagined that I'd be losing everything. If I could get a firearm ID in a different state I'd consider moving this to me is just not right. I felt grateful for the right to bear arms and appreciated the responsibility that came with this right. Now I feel like a piece of **** and wish I had a time machine just to change me getting arrested in 2002. Thank you everyone for your advice and support I will let you know the outcome.
     

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  17. watzsee

    watzsee New Member

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    I called a gun dealer to sell my 1000 rounds of ammo and they told me its against the law.
    It feels like I'm getting robbed by the police.
     
  18. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Last ditch effort here, but this cop seems pretty decent if he's going to walk you through the appeals process. See if he wants to buy it.
     
  19. tellmaster207

    tellmaster207 New Member

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    If you end up giving your ammo back to the LEO make sure you render it useless. No sense in letting the boys have a free day at the range on the labor of your back.

    I do have a question for you. Is Cris Christie any better with 2A, or just more of the same?

    Welcome to FTF.
    Get out of Jersey first chance you get.
     
  20. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Not all states require a permit to purchase firearms. MS doesn't.
    GTHO

    Now the FFL has to run you through the NICS phone call/background check with the fed form 4473, but that is it.
     
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