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Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Ghost1958, Jul 5, 2020.
Is that not what militia do, dress up and play soldiers.
Since you posted a couple of memes, I guess that settles the issue.
I think there's some things in play here that you're not aware of or that possibly you're deliberately overlooking.
This isn't in any particular order of priority I'm just making these points as they occurr to me.
The very first thing that I think you're overlooking is the people that are serious about this stuff don't advertise.
They're not posting pictures of their militia unit on Instagram or Facebook but that doesn't mean they're not training. I'm not sure why but people tend to forget that Randy Weaver was a Green Beret.
America is a very well-armed country. With certain exceptions and based on my budget restrictions I can buy equipment as good or better then anything an 11 Bravo in the Army has. These aren't just ba bunch of fat Bubbas that are out there with their Granddaddy's duck gun.
There is a lot of training available in America. You can go to Gunsite or Frontsight or you can go to Valor Ridge or you could even go to Tactical Response. And those are just the big ones that I can think of off the top of my head. Thousands of people go through those schools every single year. Hundreds of people go back to those schools for refresher training every single year. There is also training available out there that they call live action role playing but what it really is is they take you out in the swamp and they put you through Ranger School. That's perfectly legal in America.
There are also people who have served in the military and have really been through the Special Forces School or Ranger School or just plain basic Infantry or Scout School.
There is already a well-known issue with law enforcement in America where gangsters with clean records join the Army and learn small-unit tactics and then get out and go teach their gang buddies. Do you really think that there's not militia groups out there doing the same thing?
Did you hear about what happened when the black lives matter crowd tried to start a riot in downtown Coeur d'Alene Idaho? The militia came out of the f****** woodwork and there was an armed citizen on the street almost for every rioter that showed up. Coeur d'Alene's protests remained peaceful.
I'm not claiming any special knowledge but I'm not stupid either and there is no doubt in my mind that for every group of fat Bubbas out there who are just looking for an excuse to go to the woods and drink beer, there's probably another group of serious guys who are in shape and who actually have the training and who actually have military backgrounds and who actually know what they're doing out there too.
IDK but this doesn't look like a bunch of fat Bubbas who don't know what they're doing to me.
And remember, again, these are the guys that are willing to let somebody film their training. These are the guys that we know about.
With all due respect this is why I think Manta is a Troll. He says he lives in a country that is had an active, International terrorist organization trying to overthrow their government for how many decades?
A terrorist organization that is KNOWN to to have received financial aid, training and weapons from the former Soviet Union but he refuses to believe that a similar organization could exist within the borders of the most heavily armed country on the planet?
That's your problem. You're reading it and we've been living it our whole lives. You think it's all a joke when you don't have a clue. You used to be Chainfires' little sidekick. Looks like you've decided to hang with Sherman now. Everything's either a joke with you or you're the worlds Google expert on the subject. You pick a subject of great concern to us then make light of it with something you read on the internet.
Ignorance and Insolence. A bad combination.
Living what your whole lives. ?
Some really fascinating rhetoric in this thread. I would like to make a few points, for what they might be worth.
First, the black militia group was mostly doing what has been known for many years as saber rattling. Basically just making a show of force with the hope of getting their real or imagined adversary to back off out of fear. This is done to inform the adversary that they are willing to engage if necessary. Countries do this all the time! China has been doing it in the South China Sea, and we are currently responding in kind. The problem with this saber rattling of the black militia is they basically don’t have the grit to really face an opponent; they are threatening an adversary who wasn’t even there. It is easy to talk big when your adversary isn’t around.
Second, the real opposition they will face is not likely to come from so called militia groups, but from true Americans (all colors and creeds) who will rise up and crush this sort of threat to civilized life and prosperity in America. Militias tend to want to fight anyone who opposes their opinion of how things ought to be, but when average Americans rise up to fight for their lives and for their families and their freedom, that will be the day of reckoning for all the socialist/communist agendas and oppression.
Third, if this thing does get out of hand (I pray it doesn’t) the government will not be able to do anything about confiscating guns. They are becoming powerless to stop this type of demonstrating and even seizures of parts of cities because they are afraid to do anything. If shooting starts like all are suggesting might, even the National Guard will be neutered...they cannot control the whole population.
Finally, if the stuff does finally hit the fan, it will be very messy at first, because common folk are not prepared for battle tactics, but they will learn quickly. Those with experience will provide leadership...training will happen in the cruelty of battle. It is a known fact that people learn the most through failure (if they survive it) and difficulty.
There are a great many Americans with great resolve, when we rise up as one, our enemies will be vanquished!
Yes i do beleave a terrorist organisations could exist in America. But a similar terrorist organisation does not exist now that i am aware of. And if one does appear and carry out bombings shootings etc, then that is a job for the police not self appointed vigilantes / militia. The militias would be seen as terrorists under US laws.
PS Most financial aid and lots weapons came here from America, not the Soviet Union.
Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping
No they look like people playing soldiers. By the way we had similar here, only we called them terrorists. They started out as defenders of the people, before long they were intimating and murdering the people that opposed them. PS This my opinion not trolling, based on 40 years of living with militias / paramilitaries.
I'm not sure what you mean by playing soldiers. Do you think that group couldn't cause some serious damage? Do you think that group couldn't give the police or the National Guard some serious grief? For that matter how much would you like to bet that there are people who are in the National Guard or in the army or on the police force that are part of that group?
Your ancestors thought that their ancestors were a bunch of fat drunk Bubba's who were playing soldiers too write up to Yorktown
Life in America. The whole experience. In my case over 80 years of life in America. Same with other members here and you're trying to come into the conversation with comments and opinions based on s*** gleaned from media websites, newspapers and apparently in most cases, just your assumption that if you think it, it must be correct.
if you are interested why not stop trying to argue with everyone with your dumba** quotes off the internet as if you're trying to educate us on what's happening here. And lecturing us on what we "should do" or "can or can't do."
It pi**** some of us off!
But then I suspect that's your whole game!
I think the police and National Guard, would go trough them for a shortcut if it came to that. What happened a few hundred years ago is not relevant in today's America.
History is always relevant. And it's a great teacher. That's why Liberals are trying so hard to destroy it.
I am disagreeing because i disagree and have a differing view of militias. I think there is a lot of nonsense talked now, i heard it all before on this forum. Militias needed to take on Obama, when he and his private army when he refused to leave office, militias needed to stop the invasion from south america, militias now to do, i am not sure what.
What relevance has it with today's America. Any issues you have today there are the police Army and numerous other agencies to sort it out. You did not have that a few hundred years ago.
No not trying to piss anyone off, just have a different view. If having a different view pisses some people off, to avoid that we would all have to agree on everything.
I've been to the UK several times on business.
But you talk like you've never been to US, especially rural US!?
History is always relevant! To think otherwise is a fool’s errand!
Answer i give earlier. What relevance has it with today's America. Any issues you have today there are the police Army and numerous other agencies to sort it out. You did not have that a few hundred years ago.
I pretty much explained historical relevance in post #48. Your perceived reliance on government agencies reveals your somewhat socialist views that see the government as the cure all; again, a fools errand!