Looking for some help - XD 45 Service FTFd

Discussion in 'XD Forum' started by XDDoubter, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Hello All,

    New to the forum but I've been lurking for a long time always learning something.

    Despite my handle I'm not really a doubter.

    I have an XD 45 4" purchased new in summer/fall of 06. It has about 800 - 900 rounds through it. For the most part all the rounds have been either WWB or Federal Personal Protection Hydra-Shok JHP 230g.

    This is my issue; failure to feed. This happens a lot with the Hydra-Shok's. I've watched the Todd Jarrett video on how to hold a gun (not new to guns but figured I'll look at the user before the equipment) and made the adjustments to my hold that I was using based on my Army training. This helped. Now I'm not a small guy or have weak/small hands; if anything I wish my fingers were a touch longer......anyway.

    So I have these failure to feed's:

    - Round just didn't come out of the mag.
    - Round catches the feedramp.
    - Round catches somewhere in the middle of the cycle.

    Either way it sucks and makes me doubt the gun. I've cleaned the gun sparkly clean with a little oil, a lot of oil, no oil - same thing. I've cleaned the mag's - same thing, little/lot/no oil. Same thing.

    I've sent the gun back to SA and got three new mags and a very dirty gun. I promptly put 13rounds on Hydra-Shok 230g JHP (new) in the new factory mag and put it in its hiding place (inside the house) for about a month or so. Then I take it to the range, chamber a round and boom, boom, boom, nothing. I look at the gun and sure enough; the 4th round is still sitting in the magazine, slide in 'locked' position. I release the mag, release the slide, insert the mag and chamber the #4 round, boom, boom, boom until the mag is empty.

    I then load the same mag with 100 rounds (13 at a time of course) of WWB FMJ 230g rounds. It goes boom 100 times in a row. No FTFd or FTE. I love my XD when it works like this. It's accurate, a pleasure to shoot and I'd trust my life with it. But not with the Hydra-Shok.

    I'll try to shorten this up. I now have 13rds of WWB 230g sitting in the same mag for about two weeks. In about 3 weeks I'll take it back to the range and see what happens - hoping it doesn't stick. Yes, the gun and mags will be clean and oiled (but not too much).

    So you know, my FTFd's have been numerous. I actually expect a failure more than not. Should I have the ramps polished as I've heard about?

    I guess I'm looking for two things:

    A recommendation for another 230g JHP round I can trust (Saber?? If I can find them). Don't want anything less than 230g - what's the point??

    Has anyone else seen this much trouble? The Hydra-Shok's and sometimes ball rounds seem to catch in the feed ramp, less and less with the ball rounds (I'm assuming the gun is getting broken in by now).

    Thanks for listening/reading.

    I really want to trust and love my XD but I just can't right now and it's paining me to think I may have to give it up.
     

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  2. MoHawk

    MoHawk New Member

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    Welcome, please stop by the introductions section so people get to know you a little better. I had an XD45 that was flawless. NEVER once had a SINGLE issue. Have you checked to make sure that you are loading the magazine properly? Not doubting you, but if the rounds are not loaded ALL the way back, you could easily have feed problems that would not be solved by grip, amount of oil, newness of magazines, etc...
     

  3. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Yup and Yup

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    Yup, old habits (U.S. Army...) die hard. Whenever I load a mag it always gets a few hard taps on the heel of my hand to seat the ammo. Funny thing with the new factory mags is that you can acutally hear the ammo rattling around in the mag (in fact I can see that it's the #8 round). Hmmm...
     
  4. mmpotash

    mmpotash New Member

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  5. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Thanks..........but

    Thank you very much and I'm thinking the mags too. Has anyone heard of these springs fixing this problem? Just curious because, as am I, a new poster is pushing a product right out of the box.

    MM - do you have links to the other forums (if that's even allowed on here) with guys that have done the upgrade and tested it?

    Even PM me if you'd like. Just want to see some opinoins before I spend more money on this gun.
     
  6. NGIB

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    My XD .45 Compact works with anything I've tried and I usually keep it loaded with Gold Dots. I'm wondering if you have a burr or rough spot on the feed ramp? If FMJs work reliably and you don't want to invest more money - give Corbon Powerball ammo a try - it's designed to mimic a FMJ...
     
  7. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Yup...

    I've suspected the feedramp as the #1.5 culprit. I'm going to take the gun apart today for a thorough cleaning and look at the ramp again. I've inspected it in the past and it seems OK although I wonder about it's alignment (but it's been back to the fac so I give them the benefit of the doubt). I may buy a buffing disk/cloth for my grinder and see if I can't buff the snot out of it.

    I did find a thread on a glock forum where someone has replaced their XD45 springs with some benefit. At $8 each I'll get a couple and see what happens. Just trying to figure out how I got 6 OEM mags with funky springs.
     
  8. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Solution?

    Ok - going off of MM's suggestion did some searching and found a few guys who were having the same issue, replaced the OEM springs and they're much happier owners now. I'll be ordering some and report back.....
     
  9. KBlue

    KBlue New Member

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    My XD45 service eats 230 gr Speer Gold Dots like a starving child in a 3rd world country. Have you tried Gold Dots yet?

    I had a similar issue to yours when i first got my XD40sc, but it turned out to be user error :p
     
  10. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Gonna try it all....

    Ok, I actually found some Speer Gold Dots in 230g JHP and they're on their way. I know some will ding me for only shooting two or three boxes of them (about 60 rounds) but at $25 a box (20) the testing will have to be over a period of time - not all at once. As long as I can keep finding them I'll keep testing them. The Fed JHP usually fail within a box of 20 so basing off of the way my gun behaves if it's not going to eat the JHP I'll know in short order. I'm hoping that they'll work better so I can keep JHP in my little friend, otherwise it'll be some ball ammo until I find a new 45.

    I also ordered the AGP replacement springs. Stupid I have to pay $12 in shipping for a few ounces but that's the game I guess.

    Hopefully by mid-next week I'll have my ammo and springs, cleaned the gun and be ready for some testing of the new springs and ammo.

    I'll report back. I'm 10-10 on the side.......
     
  11. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    That is priceless. Let me know how it works out for you. My XD has been flawless since day 1.
     
  12. utf59

    utf59 New Member

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    XDDoubter,

    Anytime I have some issue with a gun, one of the first troubleshooting steps I take is to get someone else to shoot it. If they don't have a problem, then I know that it's just me. If it does the same thing to everyone who picks it up, then I know it's the gun.

    My 2¢
     
  13. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Good thought. I'll have to see what happens with the new springs and ammo change. If I get the same issue I'll try it. Thing is that I'll have one jam (ftfd) and then shoot another 30 w/o issue so it can be a pain to duplicate the issue.
     
  14. Jpyle

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    Have you checked that the rounds are not engaging the slide lock by touching the slide lock pin? Might help to dap it with a black marker or something next time you're at the range then see if the casing or bullet has any black marks on it after the next FTF. You may also want to remove the slide and manually flip a few rounds out of the mag and see if any come to close to engaging the slide lock pin.

    This is a known issue with some XD 40s, might also happen with the 45s. Some have reported success with changing out the spring, others have gone drastic and filed back the pin so that only the follower can make contact with an empty mag.

    Just a thought...
     
  15. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Here's a good picture of the problem in an XD 40

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  16. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    UPDATE:

    Jpyle - thanks. Just checked clearances and my 45 looks similar to the 9 you have pictured. If it jams again I'll check that out.

    Ok, received the AGP springs and the Speer Gold Dots today (230g JHP). Promptly replaced the springs in the factory mags and loaded 13 round of the Speer. Honestly that 13th round didn't want to go and I noticed that once the mag is in the gun with 13rounds it's very difficult to press the mag release - I suppose all that means the new springs are doing their job. I also noticed that when chambering a live round with the new springs it went in like butter. Not that I had any real problems before when manually loading the chamber but it did seem smoother -maybe my imagination.

    I did notice that the mag I commented about in an earlier post with a 'loose' round still has a loose round with the new mags, about halfway down the stack, the other two mags are tight - looks like I'll be back to numbering them for testing...

    Anyway - all three mags are loaded to capacity; two with the Speer and one with WWB 230g ball ammo. These will be allowed to bake as is for the next 3 or 4 weeks and then off to the range. If the same ol' FTFd issue raises its head then a trip to the gun shop will be in my 45's future (it'll be like a bad day at the vet for the dog - the gun won't be coming home with me....)
     
  17. XDDoubter

    XDDoubter New Member

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    Update!!!!!

    Ok. Got some good advice here so time to report the results.

    Hit the range today with Speer, Hornady, Winchester and Federal ammo in the bag.

    Here's what I've done to the XD since originally posting:

    - Cleaned the snot out of it. Not that it wasn't but a clean gun is a happy gun.
    - Bought a polishing disc for my grinder and put a near mirror and baby butt smooth polish on the barrel ramp.
    - Added AGP springs to all three magazines.


    Conditions:

    - 13 Speer Gold Dot 230g 45ACP rounds in the magazine for over a month.
    - Cool gun. (Was in the truck all morning at about 30 degrees outside)
    - Ammo and gun were cold.


    Here's how it went.

    Got situated at the lane, put the target downrange, chambered a round and BOOM! This was a Speer Gold Dot, hit about a 1/2" above center. I knew something had changed as I've never hit the center of the target with this gun. So I let go the other 12 rounds; no jam's, no FTFeed's, just boom, boom, boom.

    I was happy with those results to say the least. During my wait period to see if spring compression was going to be an issue I was able to acquire a few boxes more of the Speer and some Hornady Critical Defense 45ACP. Everything went through the gun without an issue. This is an important point because since owning the gun I've NEVER been to the range without at least one FTFeed or some sort of jam. This outing saw 182 rounds of 4 types of ammo without a hitch.

    Ammo shot:

    120 Speer Gold Dot 230g JHP
    40 Hornady Critical Defense 185g JHP (??Not sure what they're calling it with that rubber insert??)
    13 Winchester WhiteBox 230g FMJ
    9 Federal Personal Defense 230g JHP

    What I can't figure out is the accuracy. Nearly every round was in the center of the target, even when I was rapid firing. Now, not a 2" group, more like a 4 - 5" group with many double taps on the same hole. I'm not complaining but find this interesting.

    To re-cap:

    - New springs.
    - Better accuracy.
    - NO FTFeeds or jams.
    - I trust the gun much more now.

    I'm glad I can have some faith in the gun now. She'll be recleaned and polished up and back into her spot for house duty. May even get a holster now for carry (not CC but if it gets crazy in this country and I have to keep it handy it'll be on my belt). Now the next thing is so decent sights!!!

    Thanks for everyone who gave advice, especially the part about changing the mag springs.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2010
  18. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I'm glad you got it worked out. Mine has eaten every thing i've fed it without a hiccup.
     
  19. Mr. Bluesky

    Mr. Bluesky New Member

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    Awesome. Glad your problems worked out, the XD is a fine gun in my experience and I hate to see one having issues.

    It was probably the mag springs, as they seem to be spotty. My brother has three mags for his XDm, one I can't even load past 9 rounds, and the others I can get to capacity with my pinky finger.
     
  20. mmpotash

    mmpotash New Member

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    Congrats!

    Glad it worked out. My ACP45 has been flawless so I haven't yet installed the AGP springs I now have. I plan on doing so prior to the next shoot.