Looking for advice and information...

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Dick_M15, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. Dick_M15

    Dick_M15 New Member

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    Hi;

    Within the last couple of weeks I purchased from a local dealer a new M15A4 LE Special. I like the gun and after adding a Millet TRS-1 have been getting to use it at my local range. We're limited to 100 yard maximums.

    Within the last couple of days I've been trying to find an attachable bipod to aid me at the range. I'm 63, don't have the vision I used to and for 30 years have restricted my shooting to in close self-defense and tactical handgun practice so I'm a novice with the M15.

    I sent some questions to Armalite who and their response basically was the 6" foregrip and shorty gas system was specific to this particular model and that I'd need to buy their kit # 10705112KIT. After reading what was available this makes sense however my foregrip is 8 1/4" long and not 6".

    I'm looking for advice and information.

    Thanks in advance

    Dick_M15
     
  2. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    I took a look at the Armalite site and the M15 rifles. From looking at the photos it appears that they come with a sling mounting loop at the front end of the forearm. I would think that a Harris Bipod should be able mount to this point, then reattach the sling loop to the bipod? A few pics might be more helpful.

    Congrats on your SUR! :)
     

  3. Dick_M15

    Dick_M15 New Member

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    Thanks for the advice. I am looking into getting a picture online but I just received this from the factory rep:

    The LEC models are the only rifles we sell with the 6” “shorty” carbine gas system. Most manufacturers consider this the original carbine gas system. We developed the “mid-length” for all of our other carbines as it has a more reliable gas system than the 6” “shorty” gas system. When I looked up your serial number US341375, I found that your rifle is a 15A4C. This is not an LE model and has the mid-length gas system. You would need the 10705111KIT mid-length 1913 quad rail non-free float handguard for a bi-pod to be attached.

    Needless to say I am not happy but really don't know what to do about the dealer if anything.

    Dick_M15
     
  4. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Dick,

    So if I'm understanding this right, all you want to do is add some type of bipod - but you currently have the plastic (poly) handguards and NO railed handguards - correct?

    An easy way to do this WITHOUT having to buy their kit, would be to add a rail to the bottom of your plastic handguard first - Ergo rails

    Next, what kind of bipod are you thinking of adding? Do you want something like a Harris that allows you to extend the bipod for kneeling or sitting position or just for prone?

    After adding the rail, you would add an adapter like this: Harris bipod rail adapter Your bipod would then attach to the sling swivel on that adapter.

    I know...kind of a long way around, but it would accomplish what you wanted.

    OR...you could attach a GRIPOD to the rails. Gripod bipod assembly

    This would give you a vertical front grip to hold onto, as well as a bipod when you need it, the legs retract inside the vertical grip.

    OR...you can always change out the handguards and put on a rail assembly, this would allow you to attach a lot of different things, (lights, bipods, lasers, etc)

    Just a couple options, I hope that helps a bit.

    Slo
     
  5. yesicarry

    yesicarry New Member

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    I tried this and works great for my application
     

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  6. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Is that bolted right through the handguard?
     
  7. Dick_M15

    Dick_M15 New Member

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    Great picture. Are those rail structures on you grips? Mine do not have them which begs the question of what are they and how are they attached?

    Dick
     
  8. Dzscubie

    Dzscubie New Member

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    Dick,

    Just a quick question. Are the hand guards on your SUR the standard or carbine hand guards with the vent holes on the top and bottom? If they are like slow stated above you can get a rail to attach to the bottom hand guard. I just put one on Lindas patrol rifle as she did not want a complete rail system and liked the standard hand guards, she just wanted to be able to attach a tactical vertical grip if she wanted. The rail is attached through the vent holes with screws and flat lock nuts. It holds the rail very tight. you can then attache a rail bipod and your ready to go. Just my two cents.
     
  9. Dick_M15

    Dick_M15 New Member

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    DZ;

    Yes the grips are as you describe; a line of ventilation holes along the top and bottom linear axis. Thanks for the tip...I'll look for a rail and mounting system as described.

    Dick
     
  10. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Must just be me, but is there a real need for a Bi-pod on an AR? I don't see the point.
    But then again I don't even have an AR.
     
  11. Dzscubie

    Dzscubie New Member

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    Dick,

    I will take photos of my wifes when I get home in a couple of hours and you can see how it mounts and what it looks like. the more information on you options will make it easier on deciding on what you want. I will post them on this thread.
     
  12. Dzscubie

    Dzscubie New Member

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    Dick,

    Here are the photos of my wife's patrol rifle I added the rail to. As you can see you can attache any number of Bi-pods that attach to a picatinny/weaver rail system in a matter of moments.

    Pic 1 is the SUR with the rail and rubber rail covers
    Pic 2 is the SUR with the rail covers removed
    Pic 3 is the rail on the SUR, close up
    Pic 4 is the rail system (nuts, screws, rail and sling piviot all included in the package)
     

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  14. Dick_M15

    Dick_M15 New Member

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    Hi;

    This is the M15 we've been discussing and again thanks for all your comments. I'm learning a lot. The most important thing I learned was I didn't learn enough BEFORE I bought the gun.:confused:

    Dick
     

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  15. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Links to a couple sites that sell Handguard Rails:

    Midwest Industries AR handguard rails

    Ergo aluminum handguard rails

    You will need to either add one of those types of rails to the bottom handguard - OR - replace your handguards with a 4-rail drop in assembly.

    For example:
    Ergo Z-rail drop in handguard

    YankeeHill Machine rail handguard

    Note: the above are drop in replacements for your plastic handguards. They will provide a mounting platform for bipods, vertical grips, lights, etc.

    OR...add a rail to the handguard - like Dzscubie's picture above - and that will give you a mounting platform for your bipod also.

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    See the rail mounted under my lower handguard on this picture.

    Slo
     
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