looking for a rifle.

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by rob1990, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    Was on a budget for a cheap rifle but have decided ill spend more for a decent gun so I'm looking at a marlin xl7,remington 700, weatherby vanguard. All in 30-06 anyone have any input? Would also consider the ruger american but not at the top of my list.
     
  2. Cattledog

    Cattledog New Member

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    Just to throw in some more confusion, take a look at the savage edge. I only mention it because you used the word "cheap." But you did mention weatherby so I'm not sure how you're defining that. Savage probably has the best cost/reliability ratio on the rifle market.

    Throw up a budget. Are you needing all weather? adjustable trigger?
     

  3. rob1990

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    Trying to stay under 600. The savage axis is the only savage I've handled and I didn't like it felt cheap same reason I'm avoiding the rem 770. As far as weather I'm in florida. And adjustable trigger I'm assuming it dosnt matter because I could get used to anything I would think.
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i have three Marlin X7's. all are top notch rifles, well made and very accurate. they have adjustable triggers, pillar bedded stocks and an excellent recoil pad. i have a XS7 in 7mm-08, a XL7C in 25-06 and a XS7VH in 308. IMO, one of the best values in rifles these days. not for sure what they are going for in this current market, but i feel you should be able to get one for $400 or less, if you shop around.

    the Remington M700 SPS is probably going to be the only M700 in your price range, unless you luck into a really nice used one. i have several M700's and all are great rifles and accurate. good aftermarket support in regards to parts and accessories. lot of internet rumors floating around about Remington's quality slipping, but i wouldn't put much stock into it without seeing proof.

    the Weatherby Vanguard is the same rifle as the Howa 1500 with a different stock. both are excellent rifles, well made and accurate. not for sure as to cost, but avery good option for you. most people that own either one are very pleased with them.

    the Ruger American. i have held a couple so far. so far those that have bought them seem very pleased with them so far. still relatively a very new rifle on the market. personally, i just not liking it. this strictly personal preference and ergonomics for me just as it is for the Savage Axis. neither of these two rifles really fits me well. the Ruger just seems awkward and the Axis fel deleicat and more like a youth rifle. now the Axis's i have shot performed very well and were pretty decently accurate. so my opinions on these two are based on personal preference and not performance of them.

    personally with the size of your budget, i would steer towards the Marlin X7 and it would give you a bigger budget for a really nice scope. IMO, the X7's will hang with the top dogs all day long. all of mine get shot quite a bit. i use all of mine for target shooting and working up loads, so they get lots of trigger time.

    another option is to check around for a nice used rifle. sometimes you can get some really good deals on some really nice used rifles. i bought two of my Remington M700's used, one was $350 and the other was $250. both needed some cosmetic attention, but functioned perfectly and were still very accurate.
     
  5. Apex-Predator

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    Avoid all Remington rifles until they can sort out their QC issues, unless you are talking about a used one 80s and 90s models are fine rifles.
    Savage makes the best value rifle on the market bar none, I have owned half a dozen of them and loved them all. It is worth paying the little extra to get the real 110/111 rather then the Axis, great out of the box trigger and access to a strong aftermarket, I got my most recent one for $386 NIB and it even included a toy scope for my next BB gun :D
    Weatherby makes a solid gun but they are bulky and just don't fit me right so I have never owned one.
    Ruger has shaken up the value gun market with the Ruger American, reports are nearly all great, nice slim/light rifle don't know if it is Savage good yet but it shows promise and for $329-$350 I think you would be hard pressed to go wrong with one on a budget.
    Tikka makes the hands down best rifle under $600, tack driving accuracy with a wide variety of bullet weight both in factory form and handloads, easily the most accurate rifle I have ever owned and the action/trigger are the best in the business at any price, factory recoil pad sucks though you might want to change that out on an 06.
    For what it is worth my 30-06 is a Savage and it is a real good setup, I changed out the crappy package rings/bases/scope for a one piece Reaper rings/base and a Leopold VXII Perfect little setup my brother prefers that rifle to any of my higher end guns.
     
  6. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    The Remington 700 sps is the one in looking at how is it?
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i've got two of them. one is a 204 Ruger and the other a 7mm Rem. Mag.. both are very accurate. very smooth bolts, adjustable triggers and the 7mm R.M. has a factory camo stock.
     
  8. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    I'm deff leaning toward the remington 700 its like $580.
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the biggest failing IMO on the M700 SPS is the factory stock. but with the aftermarket stocks available for the M700's, finding a better one isn't difficult at all. and if a person has the skills, they can be fixed quite easily like i did mine.

    $580 for a new M700 SPS is not a bad price.
     
  10. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    Oh ok are they flimsy? The two I like the most are the m700 sps and the marlin xl7 but the marlins $200 cheapier
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well the stocks on the SPS are the cheapest part of the rifle. many people buy them simply for the action and restock them with a better stock if wanting increase the accuracy. some and many simply shoot them the way they come out of the box.

    i also found the forend to be just a little flimsy on the Marlin X7's as well. i modified mine and they work great. things i can fix myself and that i know i can fix to increase the accuracy are okay with me. i knew that with a sub $400 rifle it might have some minor things that needed tweeking. after all they aren't $2500 custom hunting rifles!

    the Marlin X7 is a very good value in a rifle. i love mine and would put mine up against a M700, a Tikka a M70 or a M77 any day in terms of accuracy.
     
  12. Drriley

    Drriley New Member

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    the local Walmarts have the Mossberg ATR
    with out scope for $199.
     
  13. E7018Dan

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    The savage stocks are flimsy but my uncle bought a 30 06 in the edge and it put three rounds through the same hole at 50 yards (longest range in our area). You could look into the accustock too. Its a bit finicky but once you get it dialed in ive read some great reveiws. The 700 is a great rifle as well very solid base to start with. Between the two I'd go savage but thats just me. -Stay far away from the 770. The barrel and receiver are a solid piece and once one is worn both are shot. Not to mention the rough/sticking bolts.-
     
  14. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    Are they any good? I've seen them but havnt thought of them.
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i had a Mossberg ATR 100 in 30-06 a few years ago. now whether i suggest it for a recommendation for you would be it's intended use. if you want it for hunting, then yes it's a good choice and would work well for you. if you want it for extended usage or for target shooting, then no. the ATR 100's are some of the hardest recoiling rifles out there. i have owned many 30-06 rifles over the years and that one practicly would tear my shoulder off when shooting it. and i'm not shy about shooting larger bore heavy recoiling rifles as i have owned many over the years. when it's been discussed here with others, they have had the same experianceswith theirs as well.

    now in it's favor, i worked up some really accurate loads and that rifle would shoot very, very small groups. so it was accurate, but very hard recoiling. i also worked with that rifle for close to a year before i traded it. i tried adding weight to the stock, glassbedding it, different powders in the loads to dampen it's recoil and nothing worked. but it was accurate!

    so if you don't plan on lots of shooting, then i would recommend it, because it will put the bullet where you want it.
     
  16. rob1990

    rob1990 New Member

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    My cousin just bought one for $300 I'm guessing he over payed but were going shooting tomorow ill probly have to try it out I'm not against somthing with a heavy recoil as long as it puts the bullet on target. Can you get better stocks or recoil bads for them? He's never shot anything other then a 22 rifle so I'm sure it'll be rough on him.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    depends on whether he bought it new or used. MSRP is about $360 for that rifle NIB. i paid $275 for mine several years ago in lightly used condition.

    i even tried a different recoil pad. at the time i had mine, there just wasn't any aftermarket stocks available. there does seem to be some laminates becoming available now.

    yes, he's definately in for a wake-up! the recoil on mine felt more like a 300 Win. Mag. i shot before. and if i'm going to have to deal with 300 W.M. recoil, then that's what i want, not a 30-06!
     
  18. rob1990

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    He bought it new. I just got back from walmart and the actually carry a Remington m700 7mm rem mag with scope for $417 i talked to the guy and they have a 30-06 in the back for that price id think id be stupid to get any other gun.
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    nice price! jump on it. ditch the scope and buy a better one and use that one on something else. ditch the factory stock and go with the Boyd's laminate. i have used two of their laminated stocks and am very pleased with them and the prices are decent. here's a link to them.

    http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product.htm?pid=8347&cat=1223
     
  20. Pdiddy2112

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    I recently bought a Remington 700 30-06 and I could not be more happy. The quality control issues are more bs than realty. I did extensive research and I'm very happy. Shoots great and looks great.