looking for a cheap 12 guage for home defence

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by bama357, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. bama357

    bama357 New Member

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    I'm visualy impared n lives in south st.louis and its getting a lil crazy round here looking for a cheap but reliable 12 guage but really don't know what I want or where to start looking for one can anyone assist me
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I may get a little personal here so tell me if I need to back off.

    How visually impared are you?

    Why are you wanting a shotgun as your chosen weapon?

    How much experience do you have shooting or running a shotgun under stress?

    What kind of living quarters do you have? (Appartment, House etc.)

    Can you define a budget that you consider cheap?
     
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  3. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Don't take offense those are good and important questions. Oh, welcome to FTF.
     
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  4. Okie_Mike

    Okie_Mike New Member

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    Just recently got the Pardner Pump 12ga from Cheaper Than Dirt. Less than $200 which includes shipping and the transfer. Solid piece imo.
     
  5. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Mossberg 500, Remington 870, Maverick 88 are reliable, basic pump guns that are well suited for home defense purposes.

    Not knowing the degree of your visual impairment I have to agree with the other posts and ask, is a gun really a good choice? Not being glib or judgemental here but if there is a chance that you could accidently shoot and kill a neighbor, family member or any other innocent party because you could not identify them due to your impairment then the answer is a firm no. Perhaps a loud dog is a safer alternative.
     
  6. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i have to agree with JPyle and others who have said this. not being able to identify who you could possibly have to shoot at could have some bad results for everyone. granted everyone should be able to defend themselves, but if your vision is impaired enough, there might be better alternatives than a firearm.
     
  7. bama357

    bama357 New Member

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    I live alone n a apartment I just resently lost most of my vision bt can c lights and shadows growing up I used to duck hunt with my grandpa and grew up with a bneli..not sure what modle and I chose a shotgun because I'm formiluar whit how thay are set up and how they feel and I feel it would be better since bird shot spreads and any one who comes over knocks they don't just come in and my home was broken into recently
     
  8. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Before shooting someone identifying them is really important as well as identifying their intent.

    Also, Bird shot is pretty piss poor for defense (There's been some discussion on it recently, and thats been my side of the argument).

    Another consideration is, that it is important to actually hit your target. And when I say hit your target I don't mean pepper with some stray pellets. A shotgun gets it's ability to wound from getting all of the pellets on the target when it somes to stopping human sized agressive targets. We could get into arguments over the symantics of what aiming a shotgun is but, the user of a shotgun has to make intentional effort to hit their target pretty centrally to ensure stops and avoid stray pellets missing the target and causing harm downrange.

    A shotgun presents certain challenges when employed in a fighting role.

    It is large and kind of heavy, especially when loaded. So, this can be an issue when trying to move in close quarters.

    Keeping it fed takes more manipulation than a semi-auto pistol or rifle. Not many shotguns are as easy to recharge as simply slaping in another box magazine filled with rounds.

    Ammo itself is large bulky and somewhat heavy.

    Any round that will penetrate deep enough to get to major blood vessels will also penetrate walls. Getting to major blood vessels is the way to get someone to stop aside from hitting their central nervous system. Both require penetration.

    Using a shotgun for defense in a stressful situation requires some practice. You already have a goo dbase if you are familiar with shotguns and have duck hunted, but there are few similarities in the way the shotgun is employed in each of these situations.

    I'd see if there are good defensive gun instructors near you who could really help you with your specific needs and could train to your situation with regard to target ID, threat assessment, and manipulation of the firearm as a weapon in an apartment. It's a kind of tall order, but I would think seeking professional input would be really beneficial. IT would be hard to sit here on a computer and really assess your abilities.

    I work on a submarine so, I know a bit about what can be done without being able to see but it seems like you have a very specific window of criteria to work within.
     
  9. Big-Nasty

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    Maverick's are some damn good shotguns. I personally think they're worth more than their price.
     
  11. tonydewar

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    yep and a yugo was a damn fine car for its price
     
  12. orangello

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    If you can see lights, could you see a laser dot for targeting? Would a firearm with an attached light help you? Given that your odds of shooting a person who doesn't need to be shot are a probably bit higher than a normally sighted person, have you considered some of the "less lethal" ammunition available for a 12 guage shotgun (rubber buckshot, rubber slugs, beanbags infused with pepper spray and/or marking agents).

    If your floor creaks in different spots, maybe you could make a mental note of where the croaks are.
    I like my Mossberg model 500, and it is available with a shorter barrel for indoor use.

    Good luck to you!
     
  13. tonydewar

    tonydewar New Member

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    how about a cell phone and a service dog ?move to a better hood?
     
  14. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The Savage 311A 12 ga with 18 inch barrels is a really nice SD weapon for low cost.