Looking at an AR-15

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Savage308, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. Savage308

    Savage308 New Member

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    Considering purchasing a Smith and Wesson M&P15 and just wondering if anyone has any experience with these and can provide some input. It's priced comparably to a Colt I'm also looking at but the S&W M&P15 is in much better condition. It's claimed to be used but unfired, which I find hard to believe as any firearm I've bought or will buy, is/will be fired as soon as possible after taking possession of it. Who buys a firearm and doesn't fire it? You might as well just keep you money and put a bloody poster or picture of the thing up on your wall instead of buying it just to sell it back to a gun store as "Used and unfired"
     
  2. Quentin

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    You're saying you found a used S&W and a used Colt? Well there's nothing wrong with buying used but you'll want to have them checked out.

    There are plenty of guns that are bought and never fired. You really never know the story behind the gun so just get it checked out. If the price isn't much better than new, I'd go with a new one.

    What prices are we talking about? And as far as a used Colt, you really want to do your homework because there are a lot of gotchas. Oddball pin sizes, funky bolt carrier groups, receiver blocks, you name it. Many of them are A2s as well.
     

  3. Savage308

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  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Used for $1375!!! :eek: Have we shot back in time to Nov 2008? :eek:

    Savage, run away from these guys now! We can help you, tell us what you're looking for, we can save you money...
     
  5. MrMilspecer

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    Haha, listen to Quentin, he knows whats up

    Savage, I would suggest building your own AR by buying the upper and lower separately, you'll save money and get a much better rifle tailored to your needs
     
  7. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Ah, thanks WA!

    Guess now we need to find out what's the going price of ARs in Canada in Canadian dollars.

    Savage, what do you want in an AR, what will you use it for?
     
  8. Savage308

    Savage308 New Member

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    Well I plan on using it for shooting at the range doing some mid to long distance shooting as well as nostalgia. I was in the Canadian forces and the AR-15's are very similar to the C7 we used. Much like the US uses the M16 or whatever they're calling it now. In the infantry we had the C7A1 which is basically an AR-15 with a rocket propelled grenade launcher attached to the bottom rail. Pretty bad ass if you ask me. So my .308 will be my default weapon at the range for the long distance stuff but the AR-15 will be for the mid to long distance stuff that the .308 doesn't even take as a challenge. Also there's a competition discipline starting soon at a range near me that does long range shooting with only AR-15's chambered in a .223 caliber. That would be pretty cool to get into. I'm going to make a couple calls today and inquire into the cost of building an AR-15 from pieces to "tailor" it to my needs but you see things are quite a bit more expensive in Canada so sometimes building it yourself is more expensive than purchasing the complete unit.
     
  9. mjkeat

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    Did Red Jacket Firearms make those for your unit ;)?

    Did the roundslook like this?
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    THose are some crazy high prices. Move to America. We may not have the greatest politicians but we have a lot better prices on firearms.
     
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  10. diggsbakes

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    There you go. It sounds like you know just where you want to go withy your gun. I'd avoid Colt altogether. The more I hear, read and see about the difficulties involved with upgrading, replacing and adding parts to their guns, the more I know I will never even look at one twice.

    Both of those rifles you listed (although some may disagree) have a "name" entwined in them that you are gonna pay for. By avoiding that name I'd bet you'd save a good 10% for an equal quality AR. JMO




    Look around. . . GOOD! and since your spending upwards of a grand on the rifle, make it something you really love. It may be more expensive to build one you say? Can you not receive parts via mail that are not an immediate part of the rifle? If the receiver comes out more, you should be able to make that up in other areas. Either way, I know it's difficult, but be patient! Don't jump on the first thing out there and you don't need a name to get performance.
     
  11. Squirrel_Slayer

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    For the money you can save building one, I don't know why you would look at buying a complete rifle. They are extremely easy to put together as well. I would look into your saving sif you go that route instead and then make a decision on what you want to do. Here in the lower 48, if you are thrifty, you can build a carbine for right around 600.00
     
  12. Savage308

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    I'm going to speak to the guy at the store I shop at who owns an AR-15 and ask him about building one.
     
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  13. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Please demonstrate.
     
  14. MrMilspecer

    MrMilspecer New Member

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    Look further down the threads at MY $500 AR KIT and youl see how to build an AR for under $600.
     
  15. Squirrel_Slayer

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    J and T 16" carbine kit, 499.00 (includes everything you need to build a functioning rifle minus sights and the stripped lower)
    Aero Precision stripped lower, 99.00
    Shipping and various FFL fees, approx. 60.00

    Assemble and you have a functioning rifle for 660.00, add optics of your choice. And there are certainly less expensive ways of doing this build as MrMilspecer pointed out.
     
  16. diggsbakes

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    He's absolutely right. Here's the beginning to one of mine, it's still in progress and will most likey get a high end barrel and optics, but you can see how easy it would be to go the "economical" direction and still come out with a great gun.

    Spikes Lower, AIM surplus $59
    Spikes Blem upper $60
    Spike's BCG $130
    Vltor Billet charging handle (used) $30
    Oversized charging latch (used) $5
    Ejection port cover $5
    Forward Assist and Ejection port spring kit $10
    AR Stoner LPK $59
    Yankee Hill Rifle Length Quad Rails (gun show) $75
    Advance Tech. Buffer tube assembly $45
    Spike's Buttstock $35

    Total: $513

    Plug in a barrel and gas block and you got a rifle. :)

    Also there's a couple of items that weren't necessary (quad rail) and I could have skimped on the BCG a little more, but this gun isn't geared towards being solely "budget", but why not in certain areas? It's getting an 18" SPR barrel from White Oak and probably a custom paint job, since the girl at the shop has been begging to do one for me, so It'll turn out to cost a few hundred more than your typical budget gun.

    But the point is that you can see where you can direct your build to fit your needs and save $$$ accordingly.
     
  17. Squirrel_Slayer

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    Speaking of custom paint on an AR, anyone have any experience with some of the DuraCoat kits that are out there? I'm thinking about a little paint job to set my rifle apart from all of the other black rifles that are out there. Purely aesthetics.
     
  18. mjkeat

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    You made a good move by NOT skimping on the BCG. Look forward to seeing the finished project. WOA makes good stuff.
     
  19. Quentin

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    Savage, just out of curiousity, if you ordered the parts from the US and had them shipped to you, would that offset customs charges? I suppose you'd have to buy the stripped lower in Canada but maybe buying the bulk of the gun here could save you money?

    Of course I'm assuming none of this violates Canadian law, you'd have to check that.