longarms & handedness ?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by zhuk, May 13, 2009.

  1. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, mods feel free to move it if necessary~


    Just had a couple of questions re longarms & handedness. I'm a lefty using right handed bolt-action .22s, and I can see how using a bipod removes some of the awkwardness as far as using the bolt goes. I can chamber a new round with my right hand reasonably easily, as the bipod is obviously supporting. But what happens when standing/kneeling and you have to support the forestock with your trigger hand to reload?

    I imagine it would use valuable time to do this. And since I'm competition target shooting (the only form of shooting legal in australia - no going out into the bush & plinking allowed!) isn't this gonna make all the difference?


    Absolute noob needs to know ;)
     
  2. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    lefty's get what worls for you

    There few ambidextrus rimfires out there most are no longer made, the little Browning bottom ejecting .22 there is of course Lh versions of Savage, Winchester, Browning & Ruger rimfires.
    best to get what fits you instead of what doesent.
    Might try Taurus pump 62's and 72's they eject out the top (to the right)
    A left handed accointance actully likes Taurus's Model 63 even though this little semi auto ejects to the right He loves shooting it, lever actions would be another option i guess, I have a Stevens model 30 single shot thats left hand shooter friendly (two my children shoot left handed one is actually a leftie and the other is left eye dominate)
     

  3. orangello

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    Rex, can they have semi-autos in Australia? I thought it was just bolt guns?

    Good luck guy! Maybe you could use a sling to support the weight of the gun somehow while you work the bolt. Maybe a strap to fix the buttstock to your left arm, something like an archery guard???
     
  4. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Australia??

    DoooooH.....My bad! go figure!

    I think some them Aussie gun restrictions washed up in California the sunny granola wx has allowed them to take root!

    There sould be pretty good shooting forums in The Great Land (shooting clubs come to mind) get a word out with the gunsmiths of what you need, Im a little off when it comes to Aussie arms law's when you apply for a permit and your allowed a firearm, do you have to submit a revision? is there a allowable number of firearms your allowed? are you stuck with what you have? or can you trade it off for a model that would be more ergonomicly suited to your being lefthanded? , with a little networking you may be able to trade up to a leftie bolt gun.

    Word gets out your looking for a 5 shot leftie bolt gun with enough people looking and thinking of you one may surface!

    We do have some good choices in the USA problem is importing and paperwork into Australia which I bet would be costly a $300 SAVAGE rimfire could end up over $2200 when finished, there still may be some good BSA martini singleshots laying round?

    If you were lucky and had a American Auntie she could buy one at Walmart, have cousin waldo dissemble it and mail you a piece at a time?
    darn that wont work cause then you would have a un-documented gun and that wouldent be fun!
     
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  5. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    No, that's right. Bolt-actions only allowed!


    [Hmm I probably should have said before, I was shooting a centrefire on Saturday. Am also cross-eye dominant which complicates matters. However I've been training myself to sight thru the left eye...which seemed to work ;)]

    Not surprisingly, there aren't very many shooting forums around, since only about 5% of the population are licensed shooters, down from 7% before the Port Arthur-inspired new regs went through. For ref:

    [Firearms Act 1996 No 46]

    And those forums that exist aren't particularly active either (nothing like this one :p)

    After joining a club & completing the compulsory training course, and proving you can satisfy the strict gun-safe regs to the cops satisfaction, you then apply for a licence. Once that is granted, you may apply for a 'permit to accquire' in the appropriate category A (rimfire, not self-loading) B (centrefire, not self-loading) C (self-loaders/pump actions restricted to occupations like professional vermin hunters) D (primary producers ie farmers) and H, 6-month probationary period applies (handguns; ie target pistols, no more than 10 round magazines).

    So there's lots of hoops to jump through before I get anywhere near being able to own a firearm.

    I honestly don't know how many guns you can possess in the A/B category...I'm going to ask that at the range this weekend. Planning on doing some pistol target shooting. I don't know when the next chance for having a go at the rifle will be - there's a bureaucratic *****fest going on atm with the club I have just joined and the parent body, SSAA (sporting shooters' assoc of aust). They're trying to cut back on our range time :rolleyes:



    Can just imagine the SWAT guys descending on my place en masse...with Customs bringing up the rear LOL

    And followed up with a pretty swift trip to the Bay! (Long Bay jail)
     
  6. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Now that's an idea! Never thought of a sling/strap :D

    thanks very much for that heads-up, orangello. Definately something to look into...particularly as it will probably be quite a long time before I'm able to get my own rifle, and so will be using the club's right-handers ;)
     
  7. orangello

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    A pistol grip stock would also make for easier control with a single hand, but they might feed you to the kangaroos if they saw you with one. :( A sling would be more easily removed without damage to the rifle.

    I will say, my first non-air powered gun was a .22 rifle in single shot, bolt action, and it was extremely fun and darn accurate. I got it for Xmas when i was 6. I can't name more than a half dozen Xmas gifts i've received in my life, but i'll never forget picking that lil rifle up & killing my first squirrel about 10 minutes later. I still have that rifle at my dad's house.
     
  8. c3shooter

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    Well, there ARE a few lefty 22 bolt guns out there- the Mossberg L 43 was a left handed version of the 43- but scarce.

    Shooting without a bipod, you might TRY operating the bolt with your LEFT hand, yes, means reaching over the action. If you watch the movie Saving Private Ryan, there is a lefty sniper doing just that.

    At least it does not do what a right handed autoloader does- throw hot brass down the neck of your shirt! :eek:
     
  9. Rex in OTZ

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    Fixing what ya got?

    The pistol grip idea isant all that far off, back in the 1880's they did add a scant grip to out Springfield Trapdoor target rifle by adding a small rounded off wedge shaped addition to the straight grip (looks like a door hold open wedge from the side) they are held in with a couple screws. You could fabricate one from rubber or wood and stain it your self. Might have to check your club they might have rules about modifying a factory firearm.
     
  10. od green

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    As long as you are talking 22 rim fire you might look at HENRY"S lever action . My son shoots left handed and has never had a problem . The action is as smooth as silk and you can still hold sight picture as you cycle the action. I have both the 22 lr and the 22 mag and the only way to tell them apart is which side the hammer spur is on. Very accurate and very affordable.
     
  11. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Hmm, nice idea but yeah I don't know if that would go down too well! I really like the sling idea - don't have to modify their gun which would probably be prohibited anyway, can be a bit more comfortable in the most likely months it will take before i can get my own rifle.
    (suprisingly, I haven't seen any roos on the range...considering it's just a huge piece of wasteground. Maybe foxes would be more likely hehe)

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    Anzac rifle range

    Can't believe you had a rifle @ 6 (!) I think the minimum age for a minor's licence here is 12. And you can't own a firearm before age 18.

    But then you don't necessarily need to be licensed in The Land of the Free, do you?




    Thanks, I must see if that 'over-the-action' movement is feasible for me next time. Going to be very interesting in any case.

    Haha, my self-defence teacher pulled down the neck of his tshirt once to show us the hot-metal scars, as a fellow lefty, hehe. Then of course he was also taught to shoot right handed in the army for necessity. But being a Green Beret (as he was) you're not allowed to show pain anyway lol


    Something to keep in mind if I end up getting a r/hander & want to modify it. A lot of approvals/paperwork to get thru before I'm at that stage tho! Thanks Rex :)


    Well I've only shot a centrefire so far, I will be guided by what the club suggests...I'm on a pretty steep learning curve atm. I don't even know the legal status of lever-actions here. Wouldn't surprise me if they were illegal...most things seem to be, haha.

    Thanks for all the replies guys!
     
  12. orangello

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    I was closely supervised until i was older. The rifle was purchased by my father from a friend, no paperwork whatsoever. The first gun i purchased for myself was a mossberg 500 12 guage pump shotgun at age 23 or so (on way to dove hunt). Licensed? No, no license, though they did run a really quick background check when i recently bought a pistol (age 37). In addition, people born after 1973 or so have to take some kind of hunter safety course to get a license to hunt, in MS.

    I saw a lefty on another forum; i seriously doubt you could get it into your hands legally, but it might give you a model to look for.

    TheFiringLine Forums
    ".22 LR CZ 452 American package" Maybe you can find one locally? Good luck. (it doesn't look like it, but that is supposed to be a clickable link. unfortunately, you have to be logged in to the firing line's forum. Oops, i didn't notice that. This is the Wikipedia description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_452 I can't see any lefty models on gunbroker, so you might want to join the firing line to see the pics of the lefty. I did see some .17 models on Gunbroker, if you wanted more detailed plinking portraits.)
     
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    The licensing here depends on the state where you live. It can be confusing, but up to the individual to know the laws.


    Anyway, welcome to the Supporting member status, zhuk! :D I'm glad you could join. :D
     
  14. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Thanks for all the info orangello, much appreciated. I'm yet to receive the licence application/safety course forms from the Firearms Registry, so it will be a while before i'm in any position to purchase. The bureaucracy takes at least 8 weeks to process, then there's a 'permit to accquire' application to be granted with another period of waiting there. So yeah, it's not going to be a quick process!

    I've been advised that it might be a good idea to learn to shoot right handed from the start, since I'm right-eyed. Particularly before i get used to a lefty stance. Thought I might be able to have my 2nd attempt @ rifle last weekend, but the 'powers-that-be' in the overseeing body killed my club's range time for that [It's an ongoing struggle for the club to maintain it's independence, and court cases are now in full swing].

    Still able to have a go @ pistol targets though; no pls try not to laugh too hard at my newbie-stance...it still feels very strange :p

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    OK, that makes sense I guess, your States-Rights maintain dominance over federal laws afaik don't they? Here the licensing laws were pretty much standardised across the country with the 1996 laws after Port Arthur...and we only have 6 States & 2 Territories which would simplify it bigtime.


    Hey I'm stoked to receive supporting member status! and never had to bribe anyone either, from memory lol
     
  15. orangello

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    Good luck with your quest for a firearm! And to think, i was upset that i didn't get to go to the old oil well & sight in my SKS this weekend.

    Maybe they will eventually reform your gun control laws.
     
  16. zhuk

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    Ahh an SKS! You are lucky...no semi-auto longarms for us. I would give any amount of $$ to give an AK a go, personally :rolleyes:

    Actually, we are very lucky to still have semi-auto pistols...since they have been outlawed in the UK. Well we have them for now, anyway lol


    I would like to be optimistic about our chances for gun law reform...but it's extremely unlikely. Unlike the US, we have a completely different culture where gun ownership has never been widespread...mostly among the rural farmers etc, and being one of the most urbanised countries in the world (the huge desert-ish mass of the country is hardly hospitable!) the majority of people would see no need for guns. Especially as owning one for self-defence has never been legal anyway...so pretty much all those outside rural areas/licensed for primary production/professional vermin control etc must be target sporting shooters only.

    And @ only 5% of the population, gun owners are hardly any kind of lobby group :p