Long range help

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by usmcprofessional, Jul 31, 2011.

  1. usmcprofessional

    usmcprofessional New Member

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    hey everyone. i tried posting this in another thread but it done died out with no response. i need y'alls help in buying the right long range rifle. now that is such an open ended question im sure it has been discussed and answered a hell to many times. so i got some controls to this experiment.

    i orginally wanted a DPMS AR-10 .308. good reviews, NRA rifle of the year, but i seen some people talk crap about it on here. i wouldnt know i never got the chance to handle one. heard something about an FNAR? dont know, never even seen one before. sounds like something i yell when i sneeze.

    So since thats apparently not the right rifle i would most graciously appreciate from my fellow awesome FTF members to tell me what would be the best long range, semi automatic, magazine fed, larger than .223/5.56, rifle. and by long range im talking 1000 yds with enough energy to...do its job. ill leave it at that.
     
  2. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    Have you thought about the Dragunov SVD or an M1A?
     

  3. usmcprofessional

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    ...a dragon, really? i just thought they were oversized AK's. able to do maybe 700 at best since the AK's only good for 200.

    M1A's not bad. expensive as all balls, but good. but ive heard more problems about them too. you have to have near perfect ammo or the gun will screw the hell up. the firing pin/mechanism likes to throw sh*t fits. harder than it needs to be to field strip, etc.
     
  4. Gatoragn

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    DPMS is still in business because they make guns that work. Are there better guns available, I suppose so. My first AR is a DPMS, it has yet to do anything to result in any dissatisfaction.

    Check out Rock River Arms website, they manufacture ARs in .308.

    If I found a DPMS .308 at an acceptable price, I would buy it and enjoy it. There just aren't that many 308 options out there, compared to gobs of AR 15 brands.
     
  5. Firearms4ever

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    Dragunov's can achieve ranges up to about 1,000 meters and basically are oversized AK's, and the ammunition is dirt cheap for it too. The M1A is expensive, but I thought it was worth throwing it's name in. Maybe a Remington R-25 or a Browning BAR (the new one).
     
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  7. Jake15

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    For 1000 yards I wouldn't go with a .308, a 300 win mag or 338 Lapua would be much better suited for the task. You can get a complete upper in 338 lapua that will fit an a standard ar lower, but I believe its only singleshot, but if your alright with a bolt gun then I would get a remington 700 target model in 300 win mag, but that's just me
     
  8. usmcprofessional

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    no rifle or weapon i own is for hunting animals, at all, and i will never buy a hunting rifle. there for im not looking for a rifle to hunt animals. im looking for good enough accuracy for suppression purposes so it cant be a bolt gun. yea i know lee harvey and charles whitman blah blah thats great im lazy and im cutting out extra movement. and my idea for a great .308 semi seems to be summed up somewhere between horsesh*t and potmetal.

    i dont mind getting some strange AR calibur, but i need to know the company and if they are good. further more im not spending 5k on some custom special AR job, thats retarded. if i was going to spend 5k on a long gun id just screw it all and get a barrett, but id rather keep my rounds in this zip code.

    dont know about Alexander Arms. but the 6.5 sounds like the best of both the 5.56 and 7.62, or so ive heard. good priced too. i was thinking about experimenting with a beowolf for CQB purposes.
     
  9. dunerunner

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    I have to ask about application. Are you thinking about punching accurate holes in paper at 1000 yards or looking for a long range SUR. If the latter, I recommend either the DPMS AR-10 platform or the Springfield M1A. The .308 round is and will be readily available and both rifles are capable.

    If you are looking for a modern era "Quiggly", the AR platform bolt guns like this one

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    are available from various manufacturers in .338 Lapua and .408 CheyTec, but bring plenty of money!!
     
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  10. usmcprofessional

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    thank you for the help brother, but again. if its above 3k, its damn pointless. might as well get the semi barrett. and you are the first person to recommend the DPMS, while everyone else rather throw it in a creek.

    yes i will be using it against paper, but thats not its final use. im a former Marine, theres one thing i buy a gun for. and the one you pictured, although nice, its still a boltgun.

    maybe i should put this as a sig "usmcprofessional + boltgun = pointlessness"
     
  11. dunerunner

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    The DPMS Panther LR-308 is not without it's problems and I misstated above, linking the DPMS and AR-10 nomenclature together. The AR-10 is Armalite, LR-308 is DPMS. Brownell's now has 16-18.5" barrels for those building a DPMS LR .308 AR BARRELS - Brownells.

    I have read they come from Fulton Armory and are made from Kreiger Criterian blanks, so things are getting better with respect to someone building a highly accurate LR-308.
     
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  13. usmcprofessional

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    sounds promising. but if its not worth the price or quality im fine as hell moving away from the AR platform. if i have to get something by some foreign company it makes no difference to me.
     
  14. usmcprofessional

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    hahah a 9k lapua?! hahaha holy christ theres no way in dantes hell. again why dont people get a .50 or a .416. hell my buddies savin 9k for a .50 that comes with a night vision, not night time, night vision scope for 7.8k.
     
  15. jpattersonnh

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    The Dragunov is no oversized AK, The PSL is closer to that.
    The 7.62x54r is a potent round. Here is an example using a 150gr Speer at 2797FPS MV (+-15fps) At 1000 yards it has a velosity of 1113.5, 3fps below mach1. Now w/ a boat tail bullet, it would retain more velosity. It carry's about 440fpe, over 6 times the muzzle energy a 38gr .22lr has. 7.62x54r is more potent then 7.62x51. It comes from the era of .303, .30-06, 8x57, all sniper rounds.
     
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    This one is pure, 100% Romanian, no U.S. parts. a 1977 rifle. It is excluded from U.S. compliance BS. $950.00 it could be yours! Every part matches.
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  17. Firearms4ever

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    That's the main reason I recommended something like the Dragunov. The round has been in production since 1891, and is very potent like you said. Heck, I use my PU scoped Mosin Nagant M91/30 for hunting, and target shooting. I think it says something for the round to be in production that long and to still be in use especially by the Spetnaz.
     
  18. usmcprofessional

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    so the 54r, whats the american equilivant of that, or is there one? and hell my fav weapon is the AK so i have no problem buying the papa that follows the son. its just i know after 200 yds the AK becomes a guessing game. it can be done but i wouldnt want to rely on it. at 1000 i want to be able to hit at least a standing target in the chest if im aiming for a nipple, know what i mean. it dosnt have to be dead on, just deadly enough. im not getting a sniper rifle, im lookin for that long range rifle.
     
  19. jpattersonnh

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    Some say .308, but it falls between 7.62x51 and .30-06. It has been around for 120 years. There are 8 power and up scopes for the PSL, that would make it a 1000 yard rifle. BTW, you may hit them in the crotch w/ a low fps load when aiming for the chest. But for supression, keeping them pinned down and heads down is the name of the game.
    Edit: M2 ball (.30-06), which is light ball 150gr had a MV of 2700fps. So although 7.62x54r has less down range energy to HB .30-06, it is eqaul to or bests M2 ball.
     
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  20. usmcprofessional

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    so im guessing that high grade ammo is the name of the game with the dragon. hmm i had no idea it was that nice. but again with semi if the first round dosent hit, the others will. besides a 1000 is about the max range in my head. more like 700 to 1000 is the killbox im looking for. keeping the enemy from advancing and or closing in at a faster rate.