Long range caliber..

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Ryadew3468, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. Ryadew3468

    Ryadew3468 New Member

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    Im looking at getting a savage 110 to learn long range shooting. My question is should i get the rife in .308 or .338. I know that the .338 is compairable to the big boy 50. The .338 is an extra 300 or so bucks. And i do want to get to 1000+ yards later on down the road.
     
  2. hardluk1

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    Nether round . Get one of the 6.5 caliber cartidges. 260 rem , 6.5-284 , 6.5 creedmore or the 7mm rem mag. All have better balistic till a 30 cal gets up to the 210gr+ range and the 338 ain't no fun to shoot extended runs with at a match. Plus everthing about it cost more to reload . You do not need a big boy round for a 1000 yards . If your were to build one more than likely to win it would be a 6mm or 6.5mm round. For 600 yards the .223 with 1-7 twist and 80gr bullets is a better choice compared to the 308.
     

  3. Ryadew3468

    Ryadew3468 New Member

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    Doc you have a suggested rifle in those calibers?
     
  4. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    hardluk1 hit the nail on the head!
    You don't need a .30 or .338 caliber weapon to shoot Long Range accurately. There are many 6.5mm and 7mm calibers that do it very well.If you really want to shoot long range,practice and get very good at shooting at shorter ranges first.If you can't shoot good at short ranges,then you'll really suck when trying longer ones.
    If you don't reload,then you are also not going to be shooting the very best ammo for your particular gun,not that a Premium factory match grade ammo is going to shoot bad,but it's not tailor made to shoot out of your barrel.

    I shoot a lot of 308 and 300WM,and use 175gr-210gr match bullets.After 40-50 shots out of each rifle,your body feels like you've been in a fight. I ordered a 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08 barrel,and wish they'd hurry up and get here so I can try them out.
     
  5. Txhillbilly

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    Savage makes the 6.5 Creedmoor in the Long Range Hunter series,that would be a good start.Or you could just build one using any Savage action,and the Custom barrel of your choice.
    I'm going to use the Savage 12FLV 308 that is my avatar for the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel swap.
     
  6. Ryadew3468

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    Thank you guys, ive been told that the savages are really nice to start out with. And i know the 110 comes in 7mm so i might go that route. But ill look into the barrels for the 6.5. And as for short range ive been shooting all my life. 100-200 yards and im really looking forward to the challenge.
     
  7. Ryadew3468

    Ryadew3468 New Member

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    What about the 22-250?
     
  8. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Twenty Five Caliber..................
     
  9. Gonzilla

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    I went custom route, Sako action & Olympic NM barrel in 7mm RM but any company that is willing to guarantee accuracy s/b good to go. The 6.5 family is easier on the shoulder and almost the same bc as the 7mm.

    Savage has a good reputation for accuracy and the long range hunter even comes in 6.5 X 284 but they do not guarantee MOA and in the long range game, every little bit counts.

    Weatherby used to sell a line of sub MOA rifles and I know they were trying to improve their manufacturing to guarantee MOA on every line but I don't know if they made it.
     
  10. Ryadew3468

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    Alright, im going to get online today and do some research. Thanks fellas
     
  11. hardluk1

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    Go over to accurateshooters or 6mmbr, same site. Read around the info pages there on calibers See what guys are shooting. Maybe think about the 243 cartidge also as a easy shooting round that carries well with 105 to 115 gr bullets. If you take to the sport you can allways change barrels to a more dedicated and higher quality barrel and a more specialized cartidge down the road. . Look at the model 11/111 long range hunter for a rifle in the same price range as the model 10's. If you can come up with some extra bucks Savage's target series can compete out of the box but the 11/111 long range hunter can get you into the game.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    you need to do a lot of research and study on this if you ever have any possibilty of shooting at the distances you have in mind. also realize, this will be very expensive and require quality components and a talented gunsmith to build a rifle capable of precision shooting at long distances. it will require lots of trigger time and practice. there is much more than just buying a rifle and then go shooting at a 1000 yards and being able to accurately hit the target. many say they want to shoot at 1000 yards or more, very few are capable.
     
  13. Ryadew3468

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    Im with you 100% on it. I know it will take alot of practice and money ect. Im sure im capable of shooting 1000 yards after i get the experience. I didnt mean to down play it earlyer in my posts.
     
  14. locutus

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    Army and Marine snipers use the .308 for 1000 yard shooting.

    And they're quite good at it.:p
     
  15. Gonzilla

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    I forgot to tell you I had a chat w a technical specialist from Savage when I was researching their Percision Carbine. I asked about long range shooting and he said their law enforcement line was my best bet as they paid "extra attention" to that line.

    The hunting & entry level line while perfectly adequate for the vital zone of game animals, was not intended or designed for 1,000 yard shooting.

    Did I buy it ? No - why ? 7 lb rifle in 308 is too light for extended range time and the 223 is 1:9 and you need 1:7 to stabilize the heavier 77-80 gr rds necessary for 600 yd shooting.

    Note: savage does make a Tgt gun w 1:7 rifling. If interested, I can make a case for a 223 Tgt gun for training. Bo-cu high quality ammo, even more cheap military surplus ammo and very easy on the shoulder. Doping the wind is the hardest part and the 223 doesn't make it any easier - is an issue.
     
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  16. Ryadew3468

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    I think im going to go with the savage 111 long range hunter. For a starter rifle. Plus you can get diffent barrels for it. the thing now is what caliber. Leaning towards the 7mm rem mag but still reading about it. it also coming in 6.5 creedmore and 300 wsm. Im worried about barrel life aswell.
     
  17. Ranger-6

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    The 7mm rem mag was the primary sniper rifle for the Secret Service for many years.
     
  18. Ryadew3468

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    Only problem is the barrel life with that gun. Or so ive heard. Haha
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    not always true. powder to case size, vs. caliber, large case, lots of powder, small bullet= short barrel life, usually, as there are always exceptions to the rule.

    there is a very good write-up on the 7mm caliber on AccurateShooters.com website on the forgiving nature of the 7mm calibers vs. barrel life in comparison to larger and smaller calibers. also some good info on the recoil comparison.
     
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