Long-Gun Registry is gone. Now What?

Discussion in 'Canada' started by TrueNorth, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. TrueNorth

    TrueNorth New Member

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    Well, the Stephen Harper Conservatives have delivered on their campaign promise to abolish the long-gun registry, and to destroy the data. After a parliamentary vote of 159-130, the bill was passed through the House, and is going to the Senate on Feb 27, 2012 for final approval - where it is expected to pass.

    So now that that is behind us, what's next for the pro-gun movement in Canada?

    A total dismantling of Bill C-68?
    The takedown of the hangun registry?
    Eliminating licensing?

    I for one would happy to get rid of magazine restrictions.

    What do you guys think? Are you happy with current legislation, or what do you want changed?
     
  2. Ranger-6

    Ranger-6 New Member

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    Civilization has made full circle, from the need for guns to establish control and freedom; to the fear of guns due to excessive control; back to the need for guns to eliminate excessive control and to maintain freedom.
     

  3. kaido

    kaido New Member

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    I'm pretty glad this is finally taken care of too.
    It makes selling/buying guns to/from friends so much more easier, even though I've yet to do such yet any ways since I'm still new in the game. Haha

    I do think that it would be great to have the hand gun registry taken down. I've often thought about buying one since I've always wanted a GLOCK 17, but all the rules that come with it make it seem like less fun to own.

    As for the magazine restriction, that really should never of been implemented. As many have stated, it does nothing except for give the criminals the advantage over the law abiding people. I know there's not many cases where a civilian has to use a rifle for self defense, but if for some reason there's another shooting spree like the one that took place in Montreal a while back, it does give us the disadvantage.

    Those are just my thoughts though. I'm still on the younger side of things (18) so I may not be seeing the full picture.
     
  4. TrueNorth

    TrueNorth New Member

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    Don't let the age thing hold you back - sometimes you have clearer vision of things without all the politics. I agree with the mag restrictions, I actually don't mind licensing - maybe registration, the problem is the extra restrictions on transport, and the risk of confiscation. Ultimately i wouldn't mind the controls if they recognized our right to own things. Failing that I have to oppose the restrictions of any variety.

    But yeah, the mag restrictions ahve to go, and they have to stop banning things!
     
  5. kaido

    kaido New Member

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    That's true, I'm thinking it's partially why I haven't gotten to into politics. I kind of enjoy being able to "freely" think with out all the clouding going on.

    But I'm with you. I don't really mind the fact that we have to get an FAC in order to get a firearm of any kind, hell I actually think its a good idea to be dead honest. But like you've said, it's mainly all the extras that come with it, such as having to get more paper work done just to go out to the range and have some fun with your "toys." If that wasn't in place, it would be one less reason stoping me from getting a Hand gun/AR.

    I also very strongly agree with you, something just shouldn't be banned. I'm still trying to figure out why the semi-auto version of the AK is banned en though we can own the CZ version of it?
     
  6. TrueNorth

    TrueNorth New Member

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    The only thing we can hope for is that Harper keeps on the gun topic and pushes to remove more laws as the next election come up. I doubt the liberals or the ndp will support freedom. So hopefully if we make a big enough deal out of it, the conservatives will continue to dimantle bill-c-68, and all that other useless garbage.

    I'm all for public safety, but these gun laws don't help anyone. Really, we all know that. The best gun control is responsible owners.
     
  7. kaido

    kaido New Member

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    If they do have plans to help out gun lovers in Canada, I can already tell you who has my vote in the next election. It doesn't have to be a "big" law either. Could be as simple as having a certain semi-auto rifle reclassified or giving us up to 10-rounds for a centerfire rifle.

    But I do agree with you fully. No self respecting (ha!!) crook is going to follow any laws retaining to firearms at all.
     
  8. Gallows

    Gallows New Member

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    I'd like to see more freedom to move around with our restricted weapons. More rights to defend our homes and ourselves. Concealed carry would be great but I don't see that happening in my lifetime.
     
  9. kaido

    kaido New Member

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    I'm with you there. I think having to fill paper work out or call in everytime you want to take your handgun/AR out is a little crazy. I'm a little curious since I always thought that if someone broke into your house that you had the right to defend yourself with a firearm?
     
  10. Gallows

    Gallows New Member

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    Yes and no. You have the right to defend yourself but the crown would likely sooner try you for using it v.s. the guy who broke into your house.
     
  11. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    So, what is the best way to clean maple syrup off your shotgun?
    ;) congrats on the regulation loosening.
     
  12. TrueNorth

    TrueNorth New Member

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    You are allowed to defend yourself, including using deadly force, and including using legal firearms if you have the ability to use them.
    (KEEP READING)

    BUT - you can only use the MINIMUM amount of force necessary to protect yourself, and you are held accountable to PROVE that the force that you used was necessary, and that you took all possible action to avoid using it.

    If you cannot prove that you did all you could to avoid force, or that you used the absolute minimum force required to stop the threat then you will likely be tried with a host of crimes: assault, manslaughter, murder, vigilantism PLUS a bunch of small things like: improper storage of a firearm, unsafe use of a firearm etc...

    Since your guns must be stored locked up and unloaded... it would take planning or some real desire to get to them and be able to use them instead of calling 911... the cops usually think that you tried to go for force before going for help.

    Moral of the story, you are legally allowed to defend yourself, with guns and with deadly force. But you have got to cover yourself- becuase the law actually can side with the criminals.

    Make sure you store your guns safely, attempt to call 911, give the attacker verbal warning, other warning, non-lethal force, THEN use lethal force if required. And you had better be able to get your story right that it was necessary.

    NEVER SHOOT THEM IN THE BACK! Police love that because it shows that the perp tried to get away (ie threat was stopped) and then you still attacked.

    Sorry for the long post, but it's better to say it once than for someone to make a bad mistake if they find themselves in a bad situation.

    No point saving your life only to spend the rest of it in jail.
     
  13. kaido

    kaido New Member

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    I just pass it tithe dog and let him lick it off.....or I do it myself.


    That's all good advice. I was actually thinking of .45 shot shells as a non/less then lethal ditterant. But I'm not really sure how that would play it since like you've stated, that's about the same as planning to use if for said purpose.
     
  14. tacticalhero

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    Me personally I would of kept the long gun registry. The only thing I would change would be the mag restriction. Because I would like the police to know wat I have for safety/ personal reasoning
     
  15. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Please, explain your personal reasoning. I'm very curious.

    I'd also like to know how the police or government knowing what's in your house provides any safety to anyone. I can only think of one scenario and it's remote on the extreme.
     
  16. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    You would like what?:eek:
     
  17. GaryGlock

    GaryGlock New Member

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    What did you put in your coffee?
     
  18. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    THIS of why I keep the cocaine far away from the sugar and creamer.
     
  19. GaryGlock

    GaryGlock New Member

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    It's hard to tell the diffrence at 7 a.m I get it
     
  20. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 Active Member

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    Right. Because the benevolent & efficient government apparatchiks know whats best for you and everyone. They will ensure social harmony by making sure that you & your scary toys are carefully monitored.