Long gun recommendations

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Kamarathin, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Kamarathin

    Kamarathin New Member

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    Hello all,

    I'm looking to pick up a long gun to round out the 2 hand guns my wife and I have.

    For the foreseeable future this will be the only long gun I will get so it needs to be able to fit a generalized profile.

    Ideally this gun needs to cover the following points:

    * Easy to maintain under less than perfect conditions
    * Reliable
    * Handle at least small to medium game
    * Easy to find ammunition
    * Able to mount optics is a bonus

    Looking for any and all recommendations and I thank you ahead of time.
     
  2. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Go read through the AR threads. You'll find your answer there.
     

  3. Kamarathin

    Kamarathin New Member

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    That's what I was initially thinking, but I didn't want to pass over a possible better option without asking around. :)
     
  4. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    You'll probably get a few other recommendations, but there is a reason why AR's are out-selling every other design out there.
     
  5. COLDdeadFINGERS

    COLDdeadFINGERS New Member

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    I have a CAR-15 and it is a very mobile gun. Even with a short barrel it'll reach out there. But if you want simple. Easy as it gets with a cheap price tag get an SKS as well as an AR. The SKS can be dropped in the mud. Cleared out and shot. Can't exactly do that with an AR. AMMO IS EVERYWHERE. Scope attachments can be put on too. An it's very accurate. Yeah it's Chinese but in this case it's good quality for a rugged rifle. I prefer my m1a Springfield to reach out but for a cheap price the SKS all around is a great choice
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Any gun that gets mud in the chamber will fail. I am an AK and SKS fan and probably a bigger AR fan. All of them will fail with junk in the chamber. Of all teh internet myths about AR and AK family guns out there, the truth probably lies somewhere closer to the satement that "ARs are a lot more reliable than most people thing, and AKs are a lot more accurate than most people think."

    That being said, if you are looking for real versatility, then the AR is probably your best bet. You buy one lower which is the registered firearm. Then you can buy other uppers to accomodate other roles. Swap calibers, go from precison rifle to light weight carbine, etc. You can buy the uppers and parts directly through the mail as your budget allows.
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Test showing AK sand failure:
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    Test showing AK and AR sand failure:
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    Neither system is impecious to dirt once you get it in the works.
     
  8. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Something in .308.....................
     
  9. oldpapps

    oldpapps New Member

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    "Kamarathin
    Long gun recommendations
    ...the only long gun I will get so it needs to be able to fit a generalized profile.

    Ideally this gun needs to cover the following points:

    * Easy to maintain under less than perfect conditions
    * Reliable
    * Handle at least small to medium game
    * Easy to find ammunition
    * Able to mount optics is a bonus"


    This is a tall order.
    In the order presented:
    ...maintain... This is most main stream rifles. Otherwise, they would have been dumped by the shooting public.
    ...small to medium game... Medium game will limit rim fire rounds. Most everything else will handle this option. Although, too much weapon/round will not leave much to eat.
    ...Easy[of]ammunition... This brings the choices down a lot. Depending upon your area some of these will change. Biggies are: .223/5.56, 7.62X39, 308/7.62, 30.06. Area dependent, add: 30.30, .243, .270, 8MM, 303 Brit and several more. Their are many options but I would go with one in the first grouping.
    ...mount optics... I can't think of one rifle that some type of scope isn't being mounted on. Some are much simpler than others.

    As you have not included reloading, I will do the same.

    Not knowing your determined needs, I can only splatter about.

    A bolt action made my a better known maker in .223/5.56 or 308/7.62 would be a good option. Used is good.
    Or.
    An AR15/M16/M4 type in .223/5.56, if self protection may come into play.
    Or.
    (I don't care for them, but) A 'SKS' or AK type in 7.62X39 is less up front cash.

    As there are two of you to arm, maybe a bolt in .223/5.56 and an AR/M4 in .223/5.56. As you don't list loading, go with the 5.56 chambering or one of the mix chamberings like the Wyled to give full supply options in ammo.

    Study, read and gather as much information as you can before making your decision/s.
     
  10. Old_Crow

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    If all you want is small game I would go with a marlin 60. If you have to have a scope I would go with a 10/22. 22LR ammo is the least expensive you can buy.

    Right now carbines are hard to come by but a pistol caliber carbine is a lot of fun.
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2012
  11. Txhillbilly

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    From all the information the OP gave,I'd suggest a 243,25/06,or 7mm-08 caliber.
    Ammo is common and easy to find.
    Recoil is minimal in those calibers. So,your other half would be able to shoot them without recoil being an issue if she desired.
    You can get factory ammo suited for varmints/smaller game,as well as the larger bullets for bigger game like deer/antelope.

    A bolt action rifle is the simplest design to maintain,and there are many great shooting rifles to choose from today.

    The AR15 or the larger AR10 platforms are great rifles,and are available in many different calibers,but if you have an AR15 in the common 223/5.56 caliber,you will be limited in factory ammo offerings in bullet weights. Most factory ammo is made mainly for small animals/varmints,and if you want to hunt bigger game you really have to handload yourself to get ammo with heavier bullets. With the bigger calibers that are made to work in an AR15,finding ammo can be a problem depending on where you are at.
    The AR10 platform will use the bigger calibers 243 and up,but these can get to be pretty heavy rifles to tote around.
     
  12. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    Small to medium game in a shtf situation 10/22 or a savage 93
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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  14. Blueguns

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    Any long gun, or rifles only?

    For any long gun, IMHO, it really depends on your price range. If your in the below $400 range, then the Mossberg 500 is probably the way to go. You should be able to get it in the combo package with a 28" field barrel, and an 18" home defense barrel. You should also be able to find a rifled barrel as well, but you'll have to buy that seperate.

    Above $400 The possibilities are endless. For a pump go Browning BPS, for an autoloader, anything Benelli, or Browning is the way to go in my opinion.

    As far as rifles go, Ruger makes some very nice products. You may want to look into a mini 14, or a mini 30. Ruger also makes many other rifles that you may want to look into.

    Here's the Ruger site:

    http://www.ruger.com/index.html
     
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  15. Colby

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    I gotta agree that for a basic survival rifle - a Ruger 10/22 is very hard to beat. Very rugged, simple, shoots super cheap 22 ammo, very accurate, can scope it for long shots, super light recoil - almost no recoil.
     
  16. COLDdeadFINGERS

    COLDdeadFINGERS New Member

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    I love my AR SYSTEMS. but let's get real. The SKS is much simpler to maintain, clean, and shoot. As far as clearing it out. ? I've done it with mine. AR fails SKS cycled. 30 rds. True story sorry.
     
  17. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Keep his criteria in mind: small to medium sized game.

    A .22lr is not going to work for medium sized game.
     
  18. Kamarathin

    Kamarathin New Member

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    This is really great information, thank you.

    If wild pigs (like those found in Texas) would be the top end of the game I'd hunt, I'm assuming .22LR would be to small, yeah?

    Also: Happy Thanksgiving!
     
  19. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Much too small.
     
  20. HockaLouis

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    I would recommend a .22 Mag pump or bolt action rifle. 100% more powerful than a .22 LR. The same power as a .38 at the muzzle and the velocity at 100 yards is the same as a .22 LR from ITS muzzle! The fast firing Henry 12-shot .22 Mag pump would be pretty high on my list of only-one emergency rifles. The Ruger 77/22! Maybe the Marlin 925RM with 7-shot mags...

    .22 LR as a panacea is the parroting of the foolish -- if someone MADE you have only the weakest cartridge available for general purposes you'd cry, and there are no features of them the .22 Mag doesn't largely posses as well but with twice the power. Other than POSSIBLY the .22 Hornet, .223 is really the only other practical answer if you think you are gravitating towards a centerfire, AR or bolt based...
     

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