Logistics of carrying

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by therhino, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. therhino

    therhino New Member

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    I'm taking my CCW class in the next month, but have a few practical-use/logistics questions that have been gnawing at me lately.

    Is a shoulder holster only ever useful when wearing an open-fronted garment? I wear a lot of hockey jerseys and hooded sweatshirts, being from the frozen north. These are large enough on my frame to cover and conceal a shoulder rig, but will I actually be able to reach my handgun? Vertical carry is probably right out, but how about horizontal or tilt carries? I'm not averse to IWB carry, but shoulder rigs feel like they're more out of the way.
    I'm already decided against pocket carry. I'm the type that likes to shove his hands in his pockets all the time, and don't want a handgun in there. I'd rather not have the fidget-factor available.

    How do folks carry with young kids? My son is less than a year old, and I carry him in my left arm all the time. Is the carrying of a toddler in the same arm under which you have a handgun holstered (in a shoulder rig) a recipe for instant disaster? He's in a car set, stroller, or shopping cart seat when we're out-and-about, but the transition from one to another is what concerns me.

    Thanks for any insight you can provide. I'm plenty familiar with hunting and military firearms, but personal concealed carry as a civilian is a horse of a different color for me.
     
  2. RecklessRegard

    RecklessRegard New Member

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    Can't really help you with shoulder rigs. However, I do play Mr. Mom most everyday, as do I carry. I tote my son around on my left side while I carry IWB on my 3:00. Every now and then I'll have to put him right hip. My firearm always stays concealed and secure in my holster. So while I don't prefer it, I, and you if you're comfortable enough, can get by. You'll come to find that your child will be in a cart or stroller most of the time. And really, carrying will become second nature and it'll feel odd not to have your firearm.
     
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  3. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I wouldn't shoulder carry with a hoodie or jersey, the only time I would is with a zip down jacket or maybe a button up one. In the winter I usually carry OWB and all other times it's usually IWB SOB. It is different with everyone, I would say try a few different carries and practice drawing on the range and see how effective you carry option is. You may go through several holsters before you actually find what works. On the kid note, I carry all the time around my daughter. She knows daddy doesn't leave the house without the gun and sometimes she has reminded me that I didn't put my gun on :D
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    IMO, having one setup for CC is like having one set of shoes that you rely on for all occasions.

    Not living your life style, I would not know what works for you. For me, I have different setups that (I hope) will work for what I have planned.
     
  5. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    I tried shoulder harness setup, annoyingly bulky and uncomfortable. Great for easy access, if wearing jacket, otherwise I now only use for open carry to and from shooting fun.

    It could work with something pullover, but would you really want to risk catching the sights or hammer on material and not getting out in time? Or what about premature trigger pull do to fumbling with the folds in your shirt? I highly advise against it brah.

    Waist carry is okay, uncomfortable when seated, but doable. Small of back about the same. I prefer pocket carry, holstered or not is up to you, but it depends on many factors whether its intelligent or ignorant to not.
     
  6. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    I can GUARANTEE you, you'll end up with 5 holsters for every gun you have trying to find what works best for you, I have enough left over to see me through the rapture.

    IWB works best for me. Pocket carry isn't all bad, as long as your holster covers the trigger you'll be fine.

    Not a fan of the shoulder rig except for range days but as long as it's secured properly, there shouldn't be a problem...Quickly accessing it may be a bit difficult.

    IMHO the IWB is the way to go, not only do you have the holster to cover the trigger but your pants as well...
     
  7. Coyotenator

    Coyotenator New Member

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    I carried with a shoulder rig when I was wearing suits everyday, but since then it has been IWB ,either SOB ,or for the last few years ,at 4 O'Clock with a DeSantis Tuck This(The most comfortable,and concealable holster I have ever tried.)
     
  8. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I will sometimes use a shoulder rig (horizontal carry) in the winter time but I just can't bring myself to do it in the summer time as it gets very hot here in Indiana. Mine is a cheaper brand, not utg but I don't recall the brand and it is actually pretty comfortable. It holds the pistol horizontally under the left ARM with a mag on top of the pistol in a pouch and two more mags under the right arm to even out the weight.

    Carrying my kids doesn't effect me carrying my pistol just gotta make sure they keep thier hands off.
     
  9. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    I used a vertical- right side up- shoulder rig when wearing coat and tie. I have used an inverted shoulder rig (muzzle up, butt down) with a hammerless auto when working in a sweatshirt.

    Baggy enough that I could go under and draw- no hammer or sights to snag. Not the ideal, but when you are taking the Governor's kid to a football game, and trying to look like everyone around you....
     
  10. Relix

    Relix New Member

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    The idea of carrying in a horizontal shoulder rig has always been uncomfortable to me. Not physically, though.

    I'm always telling my students to be cautious of where the muzzle of their carry piece is pointed, even when holstered. Some people think I'm being ridiculous.

    "Never point your gun at something you aren't willing to kill or destroy."

    I can't imagine how many people one is likely to muzzle when using a horizontal shoulder rig.
     
  11. therhino

    therhino New Member

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    Good info, thanks. One of the other things that might preclude a shoulder carry when I have my son with me without the wife around is the diaper bag. I carry it cross-body, and the strap would prevent access to the holster without a lot of fumbling. Of course, once he's in the stroller or seat, the bag is as well. Should I need to draw while wearing the bag, I'd also be holding my son. In that case it'd end up being a moot point, as I'm not drawing while he's in my arms. In that case, I either hand over what I've got, or turtle over him and pray.

    Makes sense. I have a feeling I'm going to end up in the "box o' holsters" club.

    I'm a little conflicted on this as well. While I had those rules pounded into my head for years in the Marines, we never worried about inert or grounded weapons. I'd walk in front of a Ma Deuce with a belt in and a round chambered so long as no one had their hand on the weapon.
    On the other hand, I do get annoyed at the yahoos at the local Cabelas who pick up a rifle or shotgun off the used rack and sight in at a display shelf or out across the store. Every gun there has a trigger lock on it, but it's the principle of the thing.
    It's a struggle between knowing the safety rules, and realizing that a handgun doesn't cook off in a shoulder rig while you're standing in line at the drugstore.


    Thanks everyone. All good info. Looks like I'll be investing in a few setups to wear around the house (unloaded ;)) to get a feel for each system. Just can't leave the house/property til my license is in-hand. I also have to read up on the open carry rules here in Maine, and how they cover transition from concealed to open. Say, if I wear a shoulder holster under my winter jacket, and the restaurant gets too warm or what have you.
     
  12. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    When were you in? Semper Fi.
     
  13. therhino

    therhino New Member

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    '98 to '02. I EAS'd the summer before before my unit deployed to Iraq for Iraqi Freedom. My stepmother used to call me every other day at college to make sure I hadn't been recalled. I patiently explained to her that they don't recall infantry grunts, just engineers and flyers.
     
  14. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I came in March of 98 and retired in 11. Was in 1st Bn 10th Marines by late 98.
     
  15. therhino

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    1/7 here, and 3/7 for the last 6 months of my fourth year. 1/7 was slated for an Oki deployment that would have exceeded my EAS date.
     
  16. utf59

    utf59 New Member

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    Some people like belly bands. They can ride lower than a shoulder holster so you could get to the gun by lifting up your shirt instead of trying to reach through the collar. I don't know if that would seem as out of the way to you as a shoulder rig.

    Others also like Smart Carry. It's very out of the way, and hopefully won't have as much of a "fidget factor" as your pocket. :D

    Have you chosen a gun for carry yet? Some people like to pick the gun, then dress around it. Others decide on their style of dress and choose the gun accordingly. It's just a matter of preference.

    Personally, I carry IWB on my right (strong) side. I still carry my son sometimes (he's 3). When I do, he goes on my left hip.
     
  17. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    No way in the hoosier heat can I wrap a belly band with a pistol in it around my gut. Hell I can barely stand a lightweight army tshirt in the summer. I bought a belly band once and ended up giving it away.
     
  18. therhino

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    Belly band might work. I'll have to do some research on them.

    I own a CZ 82 right now. I've read that some consider it heavy for carry, but I don't mind the weight right now. I really like it, so I'm likely going to plan to carry it.
     
  19. therewolf

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    I'd just carry a few different ways till you find what's right for you.

    IMO, a shoulder rig wouldn't work, especially with a hoodie.

    (I like them during cool weather, also.) Experiment, till you

    find something with which you're comfortable.

    I didn't carry with a round chambered, till I found a comfortable way to

    CC. There's a lot of personal issues involved, and you'll have to work it

    out for yourself.

    But a CZ is a good start, they make great stuff.
     
  20. Oblivion9

    Oblivion9 New Member

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    Best part of Ccw are the options.