Loading data

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by kjdeut, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. kjdeut

    kjdeut New Member

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    First I am new to reloading. I have read the "ABCs of Reloading" and "Modern Reloading" by Richard Lee that came with my Lee Classic Turret press. I have also been doing a lot of research on the internet. I want to ask experienced loaders a question on bullet types and load data. I hope this is not a "stupid" question but being I could hurt myself and others I want to ask before doing anything.

    I want to load 38 specials for my Ruger SP101. I have IMR 7625 and IMR700x powder. Bullet is a fully jacketed flat nose 158gr. Neither the Lee manual or the IMR site loading data lists this type of 158gr bullet. They have other 158gr bullets listed and give the IMR 7625 and 700X starting load for those but not the bullets I have. For the other 158hr bullets listed IMR 7625 starting load ranges from 3.7 to 4.0, for the 700X it is 3.0 to 3.2gr. What do you do in a situation like this?

    Second question is similar in that I cant find the load data. I have 142gr 38/357 bullets and I cant find 142gr bullets listed anywhere for a 38/357. Again I checked the dia. and it is .357 and the weight is 141.6. I can find 140gr and 145gr but not 142gr. I was thinking about just doing the math and coming up with the starting load based on the differences between the 140 and 145gr but didn't want to do that unless I know that is the correct way to go.

    Any help or just being pointed to a book or site where I can find what I need would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Ken
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Fully jacketed or Plated? For jacketed just use data for a 158 gr SP or HP and you will be fine. For plated (or TMJ) use cast data.

    When you cannot find data for a specific bullet weight, use the data for the next heavier, once again you will be fine
     

  3. mseric

    mseric New Member

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    ^^^This^^^
    It would also be helpful if we know what brand of bullets you have. Not that brand name is critical, it just may help with your questions.
     
  4. JWagner

    JWagner New Member

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    You can safely use the load data for a heavier bullet on your 142gr bullets. Does the bullet manufacturer have a web site with loading data?
     
  5. BILLYBOB44

    BILLYBOB44 New Member

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    No Sense to "Beat around the Bush"!

    The NUMBER ONE offender of new reloaders getting into trouble with their loads is the POWDER!!

    The two powders you have/have listed are NOT common .38Spl. powders.
    Each powder company has the full listing of their powders, and the IDEAL loads that they are used in.
    Spend $20-25.00 and buy yourself a pound of powder made for .38 Special.

    If you can find it, WW-231/HP-38 is an IDEAL all around powder for most all pistol loads.

    Not a rant, but USE the correct powder, and make SAFE reloads...Bill.:eek:
     
  6. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    ^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^

    Unique is also a great all around pistol powder for ltght to medium loads.
     
  7. BtDoctur

    BtDoctur New Member

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    dont experiment with shotgun powders in pistol cases. Buy the correct powder or you wont be reloading too long. Hard to do with some missing fingers.
    plinking,target : 148gr wadcutter
    red dot
    top mark
    700x
    230
    n1010
    bullseye

    148 gr HP jacketed
    630
    n1010
    blue dot
    al8
    al7
    hs6
    al5
    hs5
    herco
    unique
     
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  8. kjdeut

    kjdeut New Member

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    I appreciate the feedback everyone. As you all know supplies are limited and I did not just buy powder without researching. I take reloading and shooting in general very seriously. I have no desire to hurt myself or others which is why I asked the questions I did.
    If you go to the IMR site it states that both 700x and 7625 are great for handguns and even states specifically the 38 special under the 700x. If I can't believe the manufactures site where am I suppose to get the correct info?
    If you google different powders you will get a wide variety of responses and opinions on which is best for different calibers. Moving forward I will look for the powders mentioned in the responses and I really do appreciate the feedback. I know I have a lot to learn and value your experience.

    Thanks again. Ken
     
  9. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    Doc most shotgun powders are used in handgun loading. I notice most of the powders you listed are shot gun propellants. As a matter of fact my skeet gun likes the 700 X. You may want to read some Burning Rate Charts.:)
     
  10. noylj

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    I read it as a 158gn bullet.
    Jacketed data would be 3.3-4.0gn 700X
    Lead (plated data) would be 2.7-3.7gn 700X
    If you can't find data for 158gn bullets, you're not looking hard enough.
     
  11. mseric

    mseric New Member

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    I don't load for the 38 Special, so I do not know what the "Ideal" powder is. If I did load for it, my "Ideal" powder might differ from yours.

    If you look at the Powder Manufactures load data and web site you will see that the OP DID select a powder recommended by them. So according to IMR 700-X is ideal for the 38 Special.

    700-X
    This extruded flake powder is ideally suited for shotshells in 12 and 16 gauge where clay target and light field loads are the norm. It doubles as an excellent pistol target powder for such cartridges as the 38 Special and 45 ACP and
    many more.

    Link.
    http://www.imrpowder.com/shotpist.html

    There is also lots of load data with SR 7625 for the 38 Special. Along with several printed manuals, It can even be found on the Powder Manufacturers web site.

    http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp


    So, Ken, use the powders you have purchased, they will work as there is data to support them. Enjoy and be safe.
     
  12. kjdeut

    kjdeut New Member

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    nitestalker - Thanks for the reply. I didnt think I was reading stuff wrong about shotgun powder in handguns.

    noylj - Thanks for the info on the 158gn, it was the other bullets I have, 142gn, I couln't find the data on. 1 lesson learned was to always keep the manufacturer info, just in case.

    mesmeric - Thanks for the support. I really enjoy this sport/hobby and will continue in a safe and smart way.

    As a newbi to reloading I do agree with Bill in that powder is the most confusing part. With all the different bullet and powder types available experience does play a big part. Then add the fact that there can be a very small difference between the starting and max load experimenting any is scary.

    Thanks again everyone, I am sure we will talking more.
     
  13. grandpabear

    grandpabear New Member

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    Just did a google of IMR 700X and IMR 7625 / 38 special and seen quite a bit of info.
     
  14. noylj

    noylj Member

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    142gn bullets? Then use 140-145gn data.
    140gn jacketed is 3.9-4.3gn 700X
    140gn lead (which is what you should use for most plated) is 3.1-4.3gn 700X
     
  15. kjdeut

    kjdeut New Member

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    Thanks noylj.
    I loaded my first 25 9mm and shot them last night, it was kind of exciting. Only problem I had was some FTEs so I am going to bump up the load from the starting load to see if that helps. I think it was the Lee manual that said if you need or want to increase your load do it in 5 steps from the starting load to the max.
    I started to load the 142 gr 38s tonight and for some reason the first 4 cases got kinked (only word I can think of to describe it) It was like one side of the case wasn't going into the seating die correctly so it was kinking on one side. I switched to my 158gr bullets and those went great. I am hoping to get to the range tomorrow and see how they shoot.

    Ken
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    KJdeut, when starting with a new powder, start with the lowest charge first and work your way up and watch for signs of overpressure.

    the powder makers website is a good source for load data. they can update a website quicker than they can publish a new load data book.
     
  17. kjdeut

    kjdeut New Member

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    Yup, going slow and careful.

    Ken
     
  18. Curt

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    The ABC's of Reloading Manual covers most if not all propellants and bullets that have been successful combining but doesn't give load data. There are numerous powders that work well in shotgun loads and pistol loads.

    ABC's of Reloading seems to be the preferred manual on this forum but Modern Reloading has the same info and has load data.
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    that book is an excellent one to teach beginners the basics of the reloading procedures and about doing it safely. it's one i highly recommend for anyone thinking about getting into reloading. there's even lots of good information in it for veteran reloaders as well.
     
  20. pandc

    pandc New Member

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    38 Cal 158 gr Round Nose FMJ
    Small Pistol Primers
    Winchester 231 Powder (3.8 grains) min load
    Winchester 231 Powder ( 4.2 grains) max load